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Library Matters is a podcast of Montgomery County Public Libraries (MCPL) in Montgomery County, MD. Each episode we explore the world of books, libraries, technology, and learning. Library Matters is hosted by Julie Dina, Outreach Associate, Lauren Martino, Children's Librarian at our Silver Spring branch, and David Payne, Branch Manager of our Davis branch and Acting Branch Manager of our Potomac branch.  

Dec 19, 2018

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Lauren Martino:  Welcome to Library Matters.  I’m your host, Lauren Martino.  And today I’m here with Lisa Navidi who is Head of Adult Services at the Davis Library and has worked for MCPL for 32 years.  Welcome Lisa.

Lisa Navidi:  Happy to be here.

Lauren Martino:  And we’ve also got with us, Patrick Fromm, the new Branch Manager here at Rockville Library.  Welcome Patrick.

Patrick Fromm:  Happy to be here.  Thanks for having me.

Lauren Martino:  And today we are talking about the best and the brightest new books from 2018.  So Lisa, looking back over 2018, what kind of year has it been in general for literature?

Lisa Navidi:  There was an ancient Chinese curse that says, “May you live in interesting times.”  And that’s what we’re living in.  We have out-of-the-box type of books, fiction and non-fiction, especially about empowering women both fiction and non-fiction, and Trump.

Lauren Martino:  Empowering women and Trump.

Lisa Navidi:  And both.  And sometimes both.

Lauren Martino:  Okay.

Patrick Fromm:  That was such a beautiful answer.

Lauren Martino:  Anything else you’ve noticed besides empowering women and Trump, Patrick?

Patrick Fromm:  Just that when you look at the bestsellers for the year whether it’s Barnes & Noble or Amazon, you see a lot of that reaction to Trump, a lot of non-fiction talking about the global lead, talking about the Trump administration, and also just talking about the state of human beings in general as we’re all bombarded with news both vile and corrosive.

Lauren Martino:  So a lot – I guess we are processing as a culture now and that’s coming out in our books.

Patrick Fromm:  Definitely.

Lisa Navidi:  We’re all trying to process this new life.

Lauren Martino:  In general, is there anything you see that’s different from last year’s best of list I mean, we were dealing with a lot of the same things last year.  I don’t know if we’re processing them a little bit more this year or any particular – anything that stands out to you?

Lisa Navidi:  There was a lot of last year that started the immigration wave of fiction.  I think 2016, 2017 and now there’s still more of that reeling after what happened in the election, specifically “What Happened” by Clinton.

Lauren Martino:  There it is in the title.

Lisa Navidi:  Yes.  Yeah, that pretty much says it all.  I read a wonderful book in 2017 which I read in 2018 that –

Lauren Martino:  That’s okay.  You can talk about it.

Lisa Navidi:  Can I talk about it?

Lauren Martino:  Yeah, you can talk about it.

Lisa Navidi:  There were actually several but I discovered a new author, Joshilyn Jackson, who wrote Almost Sisters.  And when you first start reading – I mean, she’s read – she’s written several other books.  But when you first start reading it, you think, “Oh, it’s an enjoyable piece of fluffy chicklet.” But actually it becomes about family, about southern family, about racism, about love and ultimately about love of family.  It’s a wonderful book and it’s one on my list that I just recommend to people to listen to especially and to read.

Lauren Martino:  Anything you’ve noticed, Patrick, that’s different from last year that’s you’ve seen?

Patrick Fromm:  I don’t know if I have any quantitative evidence to this but I felt like a lot of the books that I was reading or recommended either by customers or by friends and family were non-fiction specifically memoirs.  I read Failure Is An Option by H. Jon Benjamin.  I read Dopesick and I’ll Be Gone in the Dark, as well as Educated by Tara Westover and Heavy by Kiese Laymon.  And a lot of those ended up on best of list now at this part of the year.  But at that time, I felt like a lot of people were saying this is what I’m reading, this is what you’ll enjoy, and in particular You’re on an Airplane by Parker Posey who is in all best of –

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah.  Yeah.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah.

Lisa Navidi:  I didn’t read it but I read about it.  I love her.

Lauren Martino:  Tell me about that one.  Yeah, I don’t know anything about that one.  Sorry, children’s librarian here.

Patrick Fromm:  So I listen to most of my books because my communities are churches.  And a lot of times I like the ones by actors because they read it themselves and it’s fun to get them whispering to your ear all day.

Lisa Navidi:  Right.  Right.

Patrick Fromm:  And she tells it like she’s telling a story to someone who is stuck next to her on an airplane.

Lisa Navidi:  Oh yeah.

Patrick Fromm:  So there are sounds of the airplane happening around her.  She is frequently interrupting her own story to talk to the flight attendant or to order more tea or whatnot and she’s got her little dog with her as well.  But her stories are really rambling and interesting, a lot of insight Hollywood talk because she was kind of nominated or self-proclaimed indie queen.

Lisa Navidi:  Right.  Right.

Patrick Fromm:  But she didn’t really necessarily choose to do that.  That just kind of happened.  And so it’s really interesting to hear when she tries to strike out for big pictures like a Woody Allen film or she was in Blade as opposed to like the ones she’s really known for like the Christopher Guest movies like Waiting for Guffman and Best in Show.

Lisa Navidi:  Mackumentaries.

Patrick Fromm:  Yes, exactly.  So I really – it was one of those books where I was excited to get into traffic like when my Google Maps is like, “Oh, it’s an hour and 30 minutes to home,” I was like, well –

Lisa Navidi:  Yes.

Patrick Fromm:  – I don’t get to see my baby, but I do get to –”

Lisa Navidi:  Parker Posey.  Yeah.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah.  I definitely enjoyed pretty much all of those.

Lauren Martino:  I think, yeah, a lot of comedians do the audio books and they’ve got the sound effects and, you know, bringing in their, you know, guest stars and that’s just kind of how they roll.  Yeah.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah.

Lauren Martino:  I mean, you mentioned that – I guess last year, there was the wave of immigration books.  I feel like that’s continuing at least in children’s books in what I’ve seen.

Lisa Navidi:  Oh, absolutely.

Lauren Martino:  Because there’s a ton of new ones out that – I mean, things that – you know, in the past year like, “Oh gosh, we got to find a book about a Latino kid and I don’t know where to find it.”  And now it’s like, “Oh, there’s all these new ones.  It’s great.”

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah.  We do have a lot here.

Lauren Martino:  Yeah.

Lisa Navidi:  And there is a list put out by the Center for the Study of Multicultural Children’s Literature about the best multicultural children’s books of 2018 which includes a lot of these immigration kind of books.

Lauren Martino:  And you can find it in our show notes.

Lisa Navidi:  Yes.

Patrick Fromm:  Lauren, did you get a chance to read Alma and How She Got Her Name?

Lauren Martino:  I didn’t.  I saw that on a lot of lists, but I haven’t.

Patrick Fromm:  I wanted to mention it because it’s one of the few I actually did read, so I can sound really smart.

Lauren Martino:  Oh, then you tell us about it, yes.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah.  Well, it –

Lauren Martino:  There you go, you got the children’s librarian fee.  Good job.  Go for it.

Patrick Fromm:  It was just really interesting because it gets into the naming particularly in families from Central America, South America –

Lauren Martino:  Mm-hmm.

Patrick Fromm:  And Alma has six names and at first she’s a little perturbed by having that and doesn’t understand why, but then her father takes her through each name and who it represents in her ancestry, in her family.  And they’re kind of represented on the page.  And to me, I remember distinctly back when I was in Baltimore County, we would have issues with customers with longer names because the form that you filled out only had X number of spaces and –

Lauren Martino:  The computer has no tolerance.

Patrick Fromm:  Exactly.  So we had to figure out how to do that and most people didn’t understand because Baltimore County isn’t nearly as diverse as Montgomery County.  So we’re all kind of learning on the fly there and I distinctly remember thinking while reading this, I wish I had this book back when that happened.  So I would have had a little more background because it really – it broke it down in a way I’d never quite explained before and the drawing is beautiful.  It’s – she illustrates and writes it so it’s excellent.

Lauren Martino:  So is there a particular place you go to find what you consider the best of – man, there are so many lists, Washington Post has them, and the New York Times.  Is there any particular place you like to go to find out what you should have read this year?

Lisa Navidi:  Well, I learned about the NPR’s Book Concierge.

Patrick Fromm:  Yes.

Lauren Martino:  Oh, what’s that about?

Lisa Navidi:  Which is easy to use, has a click on thing.  You can say, “I want a biography for my book club and it’s this and it’s that.”  You can really focus on what you want and then you click on the title and it has this cute little thing, a summary of the book.  And it’s really nice.

Patrick Fromm:  And it cuts a lot of that like critiquey jargon.

Lisa Navidi:  Yes.

Patrick Fromm:  Like I feel like the people are really talking to you.

Lisa Navidi:  Yes.  This is – it’s done by the NPR staff.

Lauren Martino:  Mm-hmm.

Lisa Navidi:  So it is real.

Patrick Fromm:  So this is what I haven’t read, but The Ministry of Utmost Happiness by Arundhati Roy, she wrote The God of Small Things which is like my favorite book of all time made it on to the list I think, for this year.  But the little blurb was like, this isn’t going to fulfill everyone who thinks that The God of Small Things is all that wonderful everything that you want, but it is still worth to try for these like specific reasons.  So there was like a short one paragraph blurb but it told me, I’m going to wait on reading because I don’t want to be disappointed.  But yeah, you’re right.  That is a – it’s a wonderful resource.  That’s one I direct customers to because it’s very easy to personalize.

Lisa Navidi:  There’s also one of our databases which I just discovered very recently.  Books & Authors, ampersand authors, it is easy to go through, to find what you’re looking for and also has the summaries and it has the best of and award winning.  So I know there’s another question about that.  It does show, you know, what the best of ‘18, best of 2017, 2016, et cetera.

Lauren Martino:  Mm-hmm.

Patrick Fromm:  That’s really cool.  Do they pull it from a specific place or is it done by that database, you know?

Lisa Navidi:  I’m sure they pulled it but I don’t know where they pulled it from.  Sorry.

Lauren Martino:  We’ll see if we can put that in the show notes too.  What books this year have you not been able to keep up with the demand for?  I know there’s always that book that you’re out the desk and you’re like, “Oh, no.”  And it’s like, “It’s this book called like Educated?  Have you heard of it?”

Lisa Navidi:  Right, yeah.

Lauren Martino:  It’s like, yeah, like, the pass five people before you have asked for that book.  And I couldn’t find it for them either.

Lisa Navidi:  Well, finally, A Gentleman in Moscow, it’s coming down – the holds are coming down but that’s like two years ago.  And there were still –

Lauren Martino:  Is that the one about the guy hanging out in the airport?

Lisa Navidi:  No.

Patrick Fromm:  Imprisoned in a hotel.

Lisa Navidi:  In the hotel in Moscow, he was –

Lauren Martino:  Yeah, okay.

Lisa Navidi:  He was imprisoned.

Lauren Martino:  Okay.

Lisa Navidi:  In the hotel in Moscow.

Lauren Martino:  As an aside, this is like the perfect time of year to read that book, like you can’t recommend that enough.  It’s just delightful.

Lisa Navidi:  It is.  It is.  It’s one of those books you really can give to anybody.

Patrick Fromm:  My – when we’re asking about the what we use to get a recommendation besides NPR, I always go to my aunt, Rita.  She has got impeccable taste in – she likes that one enough that she bought like, you know, 10 copies and just gave it to people to convince them – and it was perfect because I kept getting asked about it and I was never going to get it on hold.  That was like 380 times.  So I was able to read it that way, but yeah, that – can’t recommend that one enough.

Lisa Navidi:  Mm-hmm.

Patrick Fromm:  I guess for this year, I’d probably say Becoming.

Lisa Navidi:  Well, someone just asked how many people were on the list.  There are like 700.

Lauren Martino:  I feel like we should let people know that we’re on – we got this – the huge long list, we do tend to buy more copies so it’s not hopeless and you should get on the list.

Lisa Navidi:  Exactly.  And you never know there may be an express copy on the shelf.

Lauren Martino:  That’s true.  We have – oh, can you tell us a little bit about what an express copy is?

Lisa Navidi:  It is – they are leased books, L-E-A-S-E-D from Baker & Taylor, we buy the hot books.  You can’t renew them, you can’t reserve them.  They’re either there or they’re not, and it’s like sort of winning a little lottery when you come in and, “Oh, look, A Gentleman in Moscow is here.”

Lauren Martino:  Yeah.

Lisa Navidi:  So it’s always – it’s a good way to show people what else there is as they’re waiting for their book or maybe find their book there.

Lauren Martino:  Yeah.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah.  And if you want a visual encapsulation of what’s hot in Montgomery County or –

Lisa Navidi:  Yes.

Patrick Fromm:  – the library world, it’s a great place to just browse.  It would probably be pretty hard for us to pick a loser among the bunch.

Lauren Martino:  All right.  We’ve talked about some of them already but what are your absolute favorites from this year that you want to impress some people they need to read.  I’ve got a picture of book one but I’ll save it.

Patrick Fromm:  Well, I know probably the one that I enjoyed the most would be Circe by Madeline Miller.

Lauren Martino:  Mm-hmm.

Patrick Fromm:  It’s a retelling of the great story of Circe who is a goddess and she’s kind of like, unlikely goddess.  She doesn’t really enjoy gods or titans.  And it’s in the adults but it kind of, captures that sort of Percy Jackson mythology vibe.

Lisa Navidi:  Mm-hmm.

Lauren Martino:  Percy Jackson for adults.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah, exactly.

Lauren Martino:  Everyone grew up reading Percy Jackson.  That’s awesome.

Patrick Fromm:  It’s so good.  Like if you even have like a surface knowledge of Greek mythology, you’re going to love it.  There’s all the big names appearing in it.  But it really is a compelling story, too, and the language is beautiful, and the narrator, whose name I do not know, is British and I love listening to British.  So I checked all the boxes.

Lauren Martino:  It doesn’t hurt.

Patrick Fromm:  And it’s definitely my favorite fiction book of the year.

Lauren Martino:  Do you think Neil Gaiman fans would like that, too?  People that –

Patrick Fromm:  Oh, yeah, definitely.  I mean, it is a spiritual – same spiritual realm as a Neil Gaiman book.  Although a little less weird if – like I said, like there’s nothing that made my skin crawl.

Lauren Martino:  So Neil Gaiman is too weird and creepy for you.


Patrick Fromm:  This is a good middle ground.  Definitely.

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah.  One of our children’s librarians read that and loved it, loved it and I also read about it that you really – I somehow missed Greek mythology in high school.  And so, what I read about this is that you don’t have to know Greek mythology to really enjoy it.

Patrick Fromm:  Very true.

Lisa Navidi:  And she thought it was one of the surprising books, surprising bestsellers.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah.  I only picked it up because of its cover and I was very surprised.

Lisa Navidi:  Because it was Circe, right?

Patrick Fromm:  Mm-hmm.  Yeah.

Lisa Navidi:  A librarian angel.

Lauren Martino:  It’s a fun fact.  Fun fact.  It happens to be the name of our catalogue system.  Do you have anything, Lisa?

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah, I do.  Eleanor Oliphant is alive and completely fine.  I started reading it and I wasn’t crazy about it, then I’d listen to it and it’s wonderful.  There’s been a great glut recently of captivating book titles featuring quirky characters like A Man Called Ove, which is one of my favorite books of all times, The Curious Charms of Arthur Pepper, Britt-Marie Was Here – and this is a woman who seems almost on the spectrum.  She’s not happy at work.  Nobody likes her and then she became obsessed with this singer that she’s never – she had just seen perform who – and she thought, “I’m going to marry him.”  And so, she does all these quirky things and gets involved with his friend at work and her life – and as you’re reading it, you’re finding more and more about her life and how sad and why she is the way she is.  It’s a wonderful book and it’s not light reading.  It’s funny.  It’s sad, you know.  So that was one of my favorites.

Lauren Martino:  I like books that can do funny and sad together.  It’s like the emotional roller coaster.

Lisa Navidi:  Yes.  Yes, indeed.  Indeed.

Patrick Fromm:  Plus that title is impeccable.

Lisa Navidi:  Yes, yes.  Another one that really was not – it wasn’t published in 2018.  I’m sorry.  But it’s Nutshell by Ian McEwan, which is basically a fetal Hamlet.

Lauren Martino:  What?

Lisa Navidi:  It is narrated by the fetus.  His mother and his uncle are plotting to kill his father and he is narrating this whole thing from his point of view, but his point of view is so sophisticated and there, the mother and the uncle are drinking wine and he said, “Oh, I really would have preferred a Sancerre,” you know, because it’s coming right to him.  It’s a wonderful book and it’s narrated by a British – it’s not narrated by McEwan, but I loved it and it was – that was a big surprise to me.  Somebody recommended that to me.  And thank you for that.

Lauren Martino:  Yeah.  It’s one of those – it’s like you give a quick description and it doesn’t sound like anything you would actually want to read, but you’re here to tell us that you need to go for it.

Lisa Navidi:  I am here to tell you and I have recommended it to people, so.

Lauren Martino:  Yeah.

Patrick Fromm:  Did either of you check out I’ll Be Gone in the Dark?

Lauren Martino:  No, but I feel like –

Lisa Navidi:  No.  I’ve heard about it.

Lauren Martino:  We talked about it in our True Crime episode a few episodes back with it.

Patrick Fromm:  Got you.

Lauren Martino:  But you want to tell us some more about it?

Patrick Fromm:  Just that – it was one that I wasn’t – I heard about it separately through a True Crime podcast that I listened to and I didn’t realize it was Michelle McNamara – Patton – I knew her as Patton Oswalt’s spouse who tragically died two years ago, I guess.  Patton Oswalt was a community member.

Lisa Navidi:  Oh, I remember that.  Yes, yes.

Patrick Fromm:  So – and he gave bunch of heartfelt tributes at the time and I was very moved by that.  But then, reading this, it is a better character study of her than anything I could imagine because it captures a lot of her life into it, which is almost as interesting as the case she is obsessed with.

Lisa Navidi:  Mm-hmm.  This was the one in California?

Patrick Fromm:  Mm-hmm, the Golden State Killer.

Lisa Navidi:  Right, right.

Patrick Fromm:  Whew.  And it’s a – I think it’s going to be a show.  I want to say HBO.  I’m not 100% sure, but I feel like demand will rise for it again.  But there’s a really nice foreword by Gillian Flynn, the Sharp Objects and Gone Girl author, and an afterword by Patton Oswalt, her husband.  So it was a great book and it’s one of those ones where listening to it, I would get totally lost into it and I have to lock all my doors and all the windows, like it’s creepy.  So I highly recommend that for non-fiction likers.

Lauren Martino:  That’s when they ended up finding the killer through DNA?

Patrick Fromm:  Yes.

Lauren Martino:  So it came into our genealogy podcast too.  So in three podcasts now, this is the book to read.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah, definitely.

Lisa Navidi:  I also read – I love amnesia fiction where the character –

Lauren Martino:  Amnesia fiction.  This is a genre.

Lisa Navidi:  It should be a genre and this is – it’s almost –

Lauren Martino:  It’s the next podcast.  The genre of amnesia fiction.  You’re our guest.

Lisa Navidi:  I can’t remember what it was about, but – anyway –

Lauren Martino:  It took us a second, but yeah.

Lisa Navidi:  Amber wakes up in a hospital.  She can’t move, she can’t speak, she can’t open her eyes so she can hear everyone around her, but no one knows because she in a coma.  She doesn’t remember what happened and she has a sneaking suspicion her husband has something to do with it, so it alternates between this present, her paralyzed present, and the week before her accident, and the series of childhood diaries from 20 years ago, and you really, and the title should tell you everything, Sometimes I Lie.

So you don’t know, you don’t trust the narrator.  So it’s an ultimate detective kind of hunt for who is the real bad person, the villain in this, who isn’t, and it will surprise you right up until the end.

Lauren Martino:  It makes me think of Memento, I know I’m crossing genres there, materials.

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah, exactly.  One more, can I tell you one more?

Lauren Martino:  Yes, yes, you can.  Please do, please do.  This is your opportunity to get all this book love off your chest.

Lisa Navidi:  American Marriage by Tayari Jones, and it’s about an African-American couple, and he – I think he works in a – he worked in a law firm and she has a business, and they fell in love, and then something happens.

I don’t know whether to divulge it or not, but he gets taken away to prison, and so there’s – they’re looking at their marriage, he’s there, she is here, she’s sort of left, she doesn’t know what to do, and they’re writing letters to each other, so it has that epistolary fiction kind of genre which I love, and doesn’t end up the way you think it does.  It’s just fascinating look at their lives and what could happen in an instant to change their lives.

Patrick Fromm:  Cool, I wanted to check that one out, I haven’t, yeah.

Lauren Martino:  Okay.  I have, on our list questions, favorite kid’s books, chapter books, picture books, graphic novels, non-fiction, because of course I wrote their questions and I’m a children’s librarian, but you all are adult librarians.

So I am happy to hear what has grabbed your attention out of there.  I am also – I’ve got things that I can share as well.

Patrick Fromm:  For picture books, I was excited to see that Square and Triangle illustrated by Jon Klassen and written Mac Bennett, Barnett, Marc, Mac Barnett.

Lauren Martino:  Mac Barnett, something like that, yes.  We’re going to say Mac Barnett.

Patrick Fromm:  I loved I Want My Hat Back.  I’m really drawn to anything that Jon Klassen illustrates, I love those eyes.  So when I saw what they’re doing on the shapes, I was like, “This is awesome.”

So immediately, I took them home and showed my daughter, and she also loves it.  She was right at that time learning the word eye, and so it’s the perk, because she would just go, “Eye, eye,” and point to their eyes, and I was like, “This is exactly what I wanted as a father.”

So those, those are on top of my list, and I think they’re going to do another one, so I’m excited for that too.

Lauren Martino:  Do you have anything, Lisa?

Lisa Navidi:  Well, this is actually from the my children’s librarian at Davis.  It’s a board book, Holi Color, H-O-L-I.  I don’t know it’s called Holi or – it’s an Indian festival and it’s a board book that introduces the Hindu Holi Festival.  There’s also Islandborn by Junot Diaz.

Lauren Martino:  Yeah, I don’t think if I heard that one, but I’ve seen it, yeah.

Lisa Navidi:  It’s a picture book about a girl who is doing a project in first grade about where she was born.  She was born on an island and she uses first person accounts from neighbors to tell her story.

Patrick Fromm:  I didn’t know that he had written a children’s book, that’s interesting.

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah, it is interesting.

Lauren Martino:  Okay.  I have to share, there’s this lovely book called The Rabbit Listened, that’s a picture book, and I think it’s got to be the most concise description of how you help anyone deal with tragedy that has ever been written.

It’s just this beautiful book because basically this little boy built a tower, and it’s a big, big tower, and he’s so excited, and then it falls down.  And then it’s got the ostrich that says – comes and says, “You know, you got to just bury your heard in the sand, and just forget about it,” and all these other animals that are kind of giving the appropriate, for them, response.  And a bear offers him a hug, and all these other stuff, and, you know, just nothing is helping.

And then the rabbit comes over, and just sits, and he’s there, and he’s still, and everything pours out, and he hugs the rabbit, and he, you know, rages at the rabbit and sticks his head in the sand with the rabbit, and all these things that the animals suggested, he can do it with a rabbit who is just going to sit there, and be present, and I’m just like, “Wow, this is really powerful,” so I just, yeah, I should really buy that book for everybody in my Christmas list this year.

It’s like, “Go, be a better person with this book.”

Lisa Navidi:  I found this book.  I don’t even know if we have it, I’m sorry.

Lauren Martino:  It’s okay.

Lisa Navidi:  I found it – I found it on, it was on Facebook.  It’s called The Winky Wonky Donkey –

Lauren Martino:  The Winky Wonky Donkey.

Lisa Navidi:  – and I watched this grandmother reading too, she was like Australian or something.  She was reading to her, her little, probably a year-old child who just wanted to wriggle out, but she was having so much fun reading it to him, and each thing they would add another thing.

It was Winky Wonky, Crabby, Tabby, Labby, you know, and it was just so cute, so I had to buy it, so I bought it for my grandson.

Lauren Martino:  Oh that’s awesome.  I feel like, yeah, include that.  See if we can find the video and we can put it on the show notes, because that sounds like the perfect example of this is how you need to read to a wiggly kid, and read to that wiggly kid, that wiggly kid it needs read to.  That’s awesome.

See, I also enjoy this – I guess this as a teen book.  While we’re talking about memoirs and biographies, Hey, Kiddo by – and I’m going to totally mess this up, Krosoczka who is best known probably for Lunch Lady, and yeah, the Lunch Lady book.  So he wrote a memoir – a graphic novel memoir of his childhood that, yeah, you’re just like wow.

Patrick Fromm:  What’s it called again?

Lauren Martino:  Hey, Kiddo.

Patrick Fromm:  Hey, Kiddo.

Lauren Martino:  Because he’s raised by his grandparents, who, you know, and then just like all throughout the book they’re saying, “Hey, kiddo.  Hey, kiddo.”  Because his mother was a heroin addict.  And yeah – and just dealing with, you know, I love my mother but my mother can’t be my mother.  And yeah, so, you know, he’s raised by the grandparents who – they’re doing the best they can.  They’re putting in through a, you know, valuable effort, but, you know, things are just, you know, not quite like they should be.  But the ending, I was tear – tear-ridden because – and it was just – and just how you come through this and, you know, with enough power and enough, you know, you made it well enough to then publish your graphic novels.

Patrick Fromm:  Well, while we’re on the graphic novel train, I do feel like I got to give a shout out to the 2018 Dog Man books that came out by Dav Pilkey.

Lauren Martino:  Oh, yeah

Patrick Fromm:  It’s just continuing.

Lauren Martino:  Oh my gosh.

Lisa Navidi:  I have –

Patrick Fromm:  I could build a library building out of Dog Man books and I would still not have enough Dog Man books.

Lauren Martino:  Amen.

Lisa Navidi:  I have read that.  I’ve read it to my grandson and daughter –

Lauren Martino:  Can you – how was the experience for you?

Lisa Navidi:  Well, they’re older but they loved it.

Lauren Martino:  Oh, that’s awesome.

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah and I loved it.  I thought it was very funny and interesting and creative.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah, I had to see what all the fuss was about.  And I would have to admit, I was cracking up and I was looking forward to being able to share it with my daughter when she gets a bit older.

Lauren Martino:  Well, the titles will do it in and of themselves.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah.

Lauren Martino:  Lord of the Fleas.

Patrick Fromm:  Lord of the Fleas, yeah.

Lisa Navidi:  Yes.

Lauren Martino:  A Tale of Two Kitties.

Lisa Navidi:  Right, right.  And they’re always asking for them.

Patrick Fromm:  And it’s great because now he’s got this back catalogue of Captain Underpants and Ricky Ricotta.  So you can easily like – once they get through Dog Man, it’s like, “Well, I’ve got this whole another world to show you and just keep on reading.”

Lauren Martino:  And you wonder how a grown man just keeps churning out these type of books.

Patrick Fromm:  Where does he get these ideas?

Lauren Martino:  It’s like it just doesn’t stop.  I mean, I don’t know, I feel like the – well, the Dog Man titles are easier to say and you don’t have to say them like, the Preposterous Plight of Professor Poopypants or you see adults trying to say this and you just start giggling because, like, I know what you’re talking about.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah, it was always really hard to recommend a book to parent and be like, “Oh, you got a reluctant reader, well, let me tell you, Super Diaper Baby.”  And they’re like, “Oh, oh, oh.”

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah, the parent is shaking his head and the kid is cracking up.  And the kid’s like, “Oh yeah, no, I want that book.”

Lauren Martino:  Are there any new authors that published books this year that you’ve been particularly impressed with?

Lisa Navidi:  There is a book that I want to read, I haven’t read it yet.  And I’m looking for it, right now.

Lauren Martino:  Let’s pause for station identification.

Lisa Navidi:  Pause.  Oh yeah, here it is.  Yeah, it’s on my list of Women’s Voices Hear Them Roar which has that.  I don’t – Naomi Alderman wrote The Power, which – what do you think would had – answers the question what do you think would happen if women had unstoppable power to combat misogynist – misogynism.  And the answer – she answers this with a speculative novel called The Power about women actually getting the power.  It starts out with teenage girls getting a strange power in their arms.  So like, electric eels.

Lauren Martino:  Yeah.

Lisa Navidi:  So they’re able to inflict pain on whomever they choose.

Lauren Martino:  So like, biological Tasers?

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah.  Exactly.

Lauren Martino:  Yeah.

Lisa Navidi:  So what could go wrong with that?  Teenage girls having unstoppable powers –

Lauren Martino:  Oh my goodness.  I’m reimagining my high school years.

Lisa Navidi:  Exactly.  But it’s not funny really.  And it becomes all women get these – most women get these powers.  And the whole life turns, you know, and women having the power and men not.  Anyways, so there’s that one.

There’s another one though that’s called Red Clocks by Leni Zumas, Z-U-M-A-S.  And it’s – it’s kind of like a Handmaid’s Tale sort of thing, life, when there are no abortions.  And so it’s five women having to deal with these – these scenarios.  I haven’t read it but I started it and it sounds really good.

Patrick Fromm:  Was this emerging authors?  Is that what we’re doing?

Lauren Martino:  Yes.

Patrick Fromm:  Oh, I think probably for me Gaël Faye who wrote Small Country which is a book about – it takes place in Bujumbura in Burundi in Africa.  And it’s taking place right around the cusp of the – the genocide in Rwanda with the Hutus and the Tutsies.  And it’s – he – it’s a coming of age story taking place along that climate and dealing with the dual French identity.  And the author himself is a French – I think he’s actually a rapper, it was his debut novel.

But it’s short, it’s brief and it’s really, really hard to read because it really sets in your mind how difficult it must be to be a child anywhere near an atrocity of that scale.  And the normalization and the destabilization of their government and how things are falling apart but they’re still doing kid type things to that backdrop.  But they just become more and more wild and influenced by the adults.  So at one point they’re carting around an active grenade trying to defend their neighborhood and hiding out in like a disabled VW like van.  It’s really, really good and I’m excited for whatever he does next.  I haven’t listened to any of his music yet, but that’s next on my list, so.

Lauren Martino:  There you go.  Anything that you are excited about for 2019 that you can’t wait to read or not?

Lisa Navidi:  Margaret Atwood is doing a sequel to Handmaid’s Tale.

Lauren Martino:  I imagine that will be popular.

Lisa Navidi:  Yes.  And it will be interesting to see what she adds to that, that actually isn’t on the TV show.

Lauren Martino:  Oh, my goodness, the diversions of worlds.

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah, exactly.  Or it may just –

Lauren Martino:  And everywhere heads are exploding.

Lisa Navidi:  Actually, I did read about it, that if you’re following Offred, the character, it is her diaries after, and they’re reading it after – Golum?  What is the name of that – oh, well, anyway.

Patrick Fromm:  Gilead.

Lisa Navidi:  Gilead.  Gilead?

Patrick Fromm:  The place there?

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah.

Patrick Fromm:  I think it’s Gilead.

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah, after that sort of falls, then they find their diaries.  That’s what it’s about.

Lauren Martino:  Oh, okay.

Patrick Fromm:  That’s pretty cool.  I hope it’s good.  It’s one of those things where I wonder if –

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah.

Patrick Fromm:  – it should have been left standalone.

Lisa Navidi:  Yeah.

Patrick Fromm:  But I’ll read it.

Lisa Navidi:  Right, right.  A lot of people will.

Patrick Fromm:  For me, Dark Age, which is a second book in a trilogy that was preceded by a first trilogy, the Red Rising Trilogy.  They’re science fiction books that kind of take place on Mars, where there’s this sort of caste system depending on your color.  It determines your lot in life.  So the – I liked the original trilogy.  It’s kind of Hunger Games-ian, I guess, and it was a quick read.  A little into the slightly older audience, which I dug, and then it was done.  And then Iron Gold came out last year – this year? I don’t remember.  And I was surprised.  I thought, for sure, that it was going to be one of those things where it’s just a cash grab, but I think it’s actually better than the first books in the trilogy.  So the sequel to that is coming out and I’m very excited to read it.  So I’m hoping that Pierce Brown continues to have success with that.

Lauren Martino:  All right.  So our final question, as always.  Lisa, what are you reading right now?  And it doesn’t have to be from 2018.

Lisa Navidi:  Okay.  Actually, what I’m reading right now is from 2018.

Lauren Martino:  So much the better.

Lisa Navidi:  I’m reading Washington Black.  It’s about a slave who was brought to Barbados when he was very young, and his journey of freedom.  The writing is perfect, and it’s just about – he is befriended by his master’s brother and they flee together.  And it’s just adventures and what it’s like to be a slave and think about – and the guilt he feels about leaving.  It’s just an amazing book.

And I’m also reading Darius the Great Is Not Okay.  It’s a –

Lauren Martino:  It’s another one of those names, yeah.

Lisa Navidi:  Yes.  It’s a YA book by Adib Khorram about a high schooler who is partially Persian – his mother is Persian, his father isn’t – who visits Iran with his family.  It’s a YA book that, of course, has to include the fact that he’s chronically depressed, and so is his father.  But it’s right on the mark about being Persian, growing up Persian in America.  So I’m trying to decide whether my partially Persian grandson is old enough to read it.  He is 13, so.

Lauren Martino:  You need to have him read Not So Awful, Falafel if he is not quite ready for it–

Lisa Navidi:  Okay.

Lauren Martino:  – because that’s a fun one, yeah.  It’s by the author of Funny in Farsi.

Lisa Navidi:  Oh, right, right.  I did read that.

Lauren Martino:  So yeah, it’s a lot of fun.  Although kind of intense at times, but it is in the children’s section, so.

Lisa Navidi:  Thank you.

Lauren Martino:  You’re welcome.

Patrick Fromm:  For me, I’m currently listening to Lake Success by Gary Shteyngart, which is awesome.  It’s really, really engaging.  It’s got two narratives, one is when one’s a man.  I recognize the man from something, I haven’t looked it up yet, but it is definitely –

Lisa Navidi:  It’s like a road trip or something.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah.  And I heard it described as like a bro going on a road trip.  It really is.  It’s simple finding it.  It’s a guy who is a hedge fund operator, who is possibly in some legal trouble, who also has a son that’s on the spectrum who is kind of fleeing from the familial situation.  And he really loves his watches, and he takes out down to Baltimore, down to Virginia and across the country to try and figure out what he’s going to do with his life and chase after his old college flame.  So it’s really, really good.  It’s gut-wrenching a lot of the time, and the people are all kind of unlikeable.  It’s one of those, so if you don’t like that, I wouldn’t recommend it.  But if you’re down with the sort of mad men, I can deal with really awful people, I highly, highly recommend it.

Lauren Martino:  Tolerance, yeah.

Patrick Fromm:  And then I’m reading on my Kindle, Children of Blood and Bone by Tomi Adeyemi.

Lauren Martino:  Oh, I’m like way down on the list, so tell me how it is.

Patrick Fromm:  It’s really good.

Lauren Martino:  Yeah.

Patrick Fromm: It’s – so –

Lisa Navidi:  It’s worth waiting for.

Lauren Martino:  Okay.

Patrick Fromm:  Yeah.  Did you read it?

Lisa Navidi:  No, I just –

Patrick Fromm:  Oh, yeah, it’s got a lot of that sort of same young adult, teen, power story.  You know, a person from a disadvantaged birth who is being held down by an oppressive government.  And – but she’s got the secret power in her blood and has to go explore that.  And it’s really good.  I’m excited to see where it goes.  But the world that it creates is particularly effective and it’s definitely got sort of like an African influence to it.  And I’m just really – I’m enjoying it quite a bit.  So I’m hoping that its ending will be satisfying.

And I think it’s going to be a trilogy?  Question mark.  So I’m hoping those will be good, too.

Lauren Martino:  I think we’re slowly getting more like African-influenced like fantasy books.

Patrick Fromm:  It’s such a rich thing to pull from.

Lauren Martino:  Yeah.

Patrick Fromm:  You got such a great, great catalogue of images and naming structures, so I’m enjoying it.

Lauren Martino:  I thank you so much, Lisa and Patrick, for joining us today and sharing a year’s worth of reading.  And we look forward to what you read next year.

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Dec 18, 2018

Summary: Librarians Lisa Navidi and Patrick Fromm share their picks for the best books of 2018, along with a few titles from other years. After all, their book love can't be confined by something so pedestrian as time. 

Recording Date: December 5, 2018


Lisa Navidi, Adult Services Librarian at Davis Library

Patrick Fromm, Branch Manager of Rockville Memorial Library 

Host: Lauren Martino 

What Our Guest Is Reading:

Patrick Fromm: Children of Blood and Bone by Tomi Adeyemi and Lake Success by Gary Shteyngart

Lisa Navidi: Darius the Great Is Not Okay by Adib Khorram and Washington Black by Esi Edugyan 

Books and Authors Mentioned During this Episode:

Alma and How She Got Her Name by Juana Martinez-Neal

Almost Sisters by Joshilyn Jackson

An American Marriage by Tayari Jones

Becoming by Michelle Obama

Britt Marie Was Here by Fredrik Backman

Captain Underpants series by Dav Pilkey

Circe by Madeline Miller 

The Curious Charms of Arthur Pepper by Phaedra Patrick

Dark Age by Pierce Brown

Dog Man series by Dav Pilkey

Dope Sick by Walter Dean Myers

Educated by Tara Westover

Eleanor Oliphant Is Completely Fine by Gail Honeyman

Failure Is an Option by H. Jon Benjamin

Funny in Farsi by Firoozeh Dumas

Neil Gaiman

A Gentleman in Moscow by Amor Towles

God of Small Things by Arundhati Roy

Heavy: an American Memoir by Kiese Laymon

Hey Kiddo by Jarnett Krosoczka

Holi Colors by Rina Singh

I Want My Hat Back by Jon Klassen

I'll Be Gone in the Dark by Michelle McNamara

Islandborn by Junot Diaz

It Ain't So Awful, Falafel by Firoozeh Dumas

Lunch Lady series by Jarnett Krosoczka

A Man Called Ove by Fredrik Backman

Ministry of Utmost Happiness by Arundhati Roy

Nutshell by Ian McEwan

The Power by Naomi Alderman

The Rabbit Listened by Cori Doerrfield

Red Clocks by Leni Zumas

Ricky Ricotta series by Dav Pilkey

Small Country by Gaël Faye

Sometimes I Lie by Alice Feeney

Square by Mac Barnett

The Testaments by Margaret Atwood - Upcoming sequel to The Handmaid's Tale

Triangle by Mac Barnett

What Happened by Hillary Clinton

You're on an Airplane by Parker Posey

Other Items of Interest

Books and Authors - An online tool for discovering what to read next. Includes dozens of literary award and best seller lists.

Center for the Study of Multicultural Children's Literature
     The Center's Best Books of 2018

Memento (film)

NPR's Book Concierge

What Do I Check Out Next? - Use this form to tell MCPL staff what you like to read and we'll respond with a list of 3 to 5 books that our readers' advisory experts have chosen for you. 

The Wonky Donkey viral video

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Dec 14, 2018

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David Payne:  Welcome to Library Matters with me David Payne.  And today, we're going to be talking about music and listening to music as well.  And joining me today, I am very pleased to welcome our old friend and guest, Eric Carzon, manager of the Twinbrook branch library.  And Eric is the man behind one of MCPL's newest services, the Library of Things Music.  So, welcome Eric. 

Eric Carzon:  Thank you.  Good to be here.

David Payne:  Good to have you back.  And I see you've got a few props to entertain us with too.

Eric Carzon:  Yeah.

David Payne:  So, let's start by asking you how did you get into music and what instruments do you play.

Eric Carzon:  Not really.  Well, I just always loved music.  My parents loved music a lot too, so was always playing in the house or they were singing.  In fact, my grandfather was a singer as well.  He sang - he was in World War II and he sang for the army, in the Washington Area.  So growing up my mom would play Gordon Lightfoot, my dad would play Tony Bennett, Barbra Streisand, The Platters, a lot of doo-wop, some Janis Ian.  Kind of a wide spread, a lot of different kinds of music, classical music as well.  And then my grandmother, of all people, introduced me to Pink Floyd, so, you know, a little rock and roll too.  In college my music buddies turned me on to the Indigo Girls, and of course there's all the great 80's-90's music, Eurythmics, U2, and whatnot.  So I used to always be making up little songs and walking around the block singing them.

Then later on, I was in a church choir and the county choir later on.  Eventually I was in a band in high school.  No Top 100 hits yet though.  I play the guitar mostly, and the ukulele.  Mostly a rhythm guitar player, a little bit of lead work, and I sing and write songs as well.

David Payne:  Great.  What age did you start playing the guitar?

Eric Carzon:  About - I think I took a class around fifth-sixth grade.  Put it down for a while, eighth grade I picked it back up and just a couple of classes.  I'm mostly self-taught and I learned from other musicians and books.

David Payne:  Okay.  So self-taught on the ukulele too?

Eric Carzon:  Uh-huh, yeah, I picked that up about four or five years ago.

David Payne:  Well, having said that, is there a musical instrument that you don't play but would like to if you had the chance?

Eric Carzon:  Oh yeah.  One of the instruments in the Library of Things Music is the African djembe drum, a very popular West African drum.  And I actually have one at home that I've had for decoration basically, but it's a real playing drum.  And so I am motivated to learn how to play that for real.  We've got some books and that we're about to have in the collection for that.  And I went to a drum circle in the region recently where they sit around and they play.  And it's a lot of fun, and it's very easy to get started with that instrument, so I do look forward to learning how to play that better.

David Payne:  Okay.  So, let's talk a bit about the Library of Things Music.  For any listeners who haven't come across it before, can you tell us about your new innovation?

Eric Carzon:  Oh yeah, absolutely.  So we lend musical instruments, that's the Library of Things Music.  It started at the Twinbrook branch, so that's the only branch right now, so you have to come to the Twinbrook branch to get the instrument, and when you return it you have to return it to the Twinbrook branch, which is in Rockville.  And you have it for two weeks, 14 days.  We do ask that the cardholder who checks the instrument out be 14 years or older.  You could check it out for your kid obviously, and we have some that are sized for children specifically for that.  But we do need a responsible party to check the instrument out.  Of course, your account has to be in good standing, and you should be prepared with your identification so we can verify that your address is correct and that we have the right person.

At this time, we don't renew the checkout, so it is a strict 14 days.  We don't do reserves through the computer system, but if you go to the Library of Things website, which is in the MCPL musical website you can get a look at what the instruments are and little bit of a description of what they are.  And you can call us.  So when you call us we'll tell you what's available or you can say, "Hey, I want a ukulele, do you have any?"  And we'll look and we'll see if there's one available.  So if there's one available for checkout we'll hold it for you for the balance of that business day.  So if you call us 10:00 we'll hold it till 8:00, if you call us at 7:54 we'll hold it till 8:00 that day if it's a 10:00 AM to 8:00 PM day, which is Monday through Thursday for us.  So that's what we can do in terms of reserve.  But it's been going pretty well so far, and people seem to know how to use it.

David Payne:  I was just going to ask, because we're a few weeks into it now, so yeah.  So business is good.

Eric Carzon:  It is.  It's doing great.  We have a total of 29 instruments and six amplifiers.  And everything has gone out a few times and come back.  Everything has come back in one piece, thank you everybody for taking care of the instruments.  We've got a variety of guitars, we have a couple specifically children sized, we have the classical guitars, a couple of steel string, a couple of electric guitars, a couple of electric basses, we have several ukuleles, and then we have African drums, the djembes, we have a couple of Native American and Irish drums, a dumbak, which is like a Middle Eastern one, this Indian tabla drum, which is pretty cool, it's actually like a pair, like Master Blaster, so there's like a big one and small one, and one is brass and one is wood.  It's pretty cool.  We have a Jamaican steel drum, and we have a slot tongue drum, which is kind of like a wooden box with little mallets, and two kalimbas, which are pianos that you play with your thumb, so they're quite nifty.

David Payne:  Quite a great collection there.

Eric Carzon:  Yeah.

David Payne:  So where did you, going back to the very beginning, where did you get the idea to lend musical instruments?

Eric Carzon:  Well, we stole the idea.  No, it's been around a long time.  There have been library systems all over that country that had been lending musical instruments probably since the '60s or better in small numbers.  I mean there's still not a whole lot of them, I wouldn't call it thousands of systems, but let's say there's probably at least 50-plus systems throughout the United States, and that's probably a low number, there's probably more.  Ukulele, for instance, very easy, so it's very popular in a lot of systems, including several in the state, besides ourselves, lend ukuleles.  I will say, we have a pretty wide selection and number, as far as I can tell, from the other systems that I looked at and compared.  But it's not a new idea.

We've been wanting to do, what we call, a Library of Things in Montgomery County for a long time.  But as we went through the planning processes different staff made different proposals for different kinds of things to lend.  Some people had kitchenware, power tools, various kinds of computer or tablet or whatever.  So there were a lot of different ideas on the table, and I proposed the music one, and it so happened that mine seemed to be the most feasible to implement so far.  So we went for it. 

David Payne:  Right.  And it seems your collection so far represents the diversity of the county.

Eric Carzon:  Oh, that's what we were shooting for; get a nice wide diversity of musical instruments, kind of tempered with what we could take care of.

David Payne:  Right.

Eric Carzon:  So there was that sort of element, but we went as wide as we could within the scope of what we felt like we could take care of and what would sort of survive repeated use from customers.

David Payne:  Right.  So, obviously the response, the customer response so far has been great.  Do you have any stories you can share with us about customer experience, any customers who have come in to borrow musical instruments, have you noticed anybody asking about music lessons or tutorials, anything you can share with us?

Eric Carzon:  Oh, yeah.  Yeah, definitely.  So the response has been great, and people have been pretty happy as they've turned in their surveys.  I haven't gotten anybody unhappy, and everybody is pretty much top happy, very happy.  We do get a lot of questions about lessons.  And we ourselves, we can’t really give lessons, it wouldn't be - there's 29 different kind of instruments, so unless there were - unless the only people interested in lessons all were interested in the same instrument it would be kind of hard for us as a library system to give classes.  Now that being said, we do have an online product that does have actually several different instruments in several different genres, so we'll talk about that a little later.  But that is our version of a class.

The coolest thing that's happened so far is we have a music discussion group on the first Monday of each month, at 6:30 at Twinbrook.  And so this Monday's music discussion group or the November 5th one, we had this little boy.  He came in and he had just started guitar lessons, so he was like maybe eight lessons in.  But actually - he was pretty impressive for a kid who's only had eight lessons, and he was kind of small.  I mean his hands were small, so even the small guitar was a little large for him.  So at this discussion group he saw the ukulele because I demoed several instruments and ukulele was one of them, and so he gave it a try.  And so by the end of that hour he had actually taught himself with the help of one of our books, Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.  And he, for the last 10 minutes, he played it over and over again until he got like fully down.

David Payne:  Just right, yeah.

Eric Carzon:  So his first time picking up the ukulele, like literally in his whole life and he walked away with that song.  So, we'll talk a little later about this, but that's why I like ukulele because it's really easy and it's a great instrument for children.

David Payne:  Right.  You mentioned the ukulele, and I recall from our pervious podcast with you that that came up as well in the conversation.  The instrument itself seems to have become increasingly more popular.  Why do you think that is, and how difficult is it to play?

Eric Carzon:  To me it's extremely easy to play.  I don’t know I might be a little ambitious, but I'd like to say that most people could probably walk away within a couple of hours able to play a simple song on the ukulele.  It's kind of that easy.  It's gotten kind of a resurgence in the past, I'd say, decade or so because you've got some pretty large stars that also play ukulele.  I mean it wasn't their solo - sole instrument, but I think like Taylor Swift has got a couple of ukulele tunes, Coco - I might be getting her name wrong, I think it's Coco, she does, and several other stars.  I think Jason Mraz might even have one.  So there's been some super huge pop stars that have like really put ukulele back on the map.  And then it was always there, I mean there was Tiny Tim in the 60's or whatnot.  But, so there's that, I mean it's got some star power.  And then it's just - it's fun and it's easy.  So there's that.

And like if you're a guitar player ukulele is like super easy to learn because even some of the chord shapes are the same, the principles of the instrument are the same, you just have to learn a few different chord patterns and realize that the scale - like which key you're in sort of differs a little bit, but not by much.  I mean it's much like the guitar very efficiently designed, and so you can pick it up real quick.  And then the other thing is the instrument itself is pretty affordable.  I mean for $40 you can get one that will play and you can learn on.  Really, I kind of recommend more like the $60-ish - I wouldn't pay less than $60 to $75 for a ukulele, and for that price though you get one that's like real and will keep its tune and is pretty decent, and anything above $300 you're just paying for show.  So that's a pretty decent price range for a musical instrument.  And for about $100 you can get a super-duper competent ukulele that holds its tune very well and plays excellently.  So that's a plus.  That's kind of a small investment for a real musical instrument.

David Payne:  Okay.

Eric Carzon:  So that's why I like it.  And there's all sorts of books and lessons, and it's real easy.

David Payne:  Great.  I see you've actually bought a ukulele in.

Eric Carzon:  Oh yeah.

David Payne:  Can you give us a few notes on …

[Playing Ukulele] [00:12:02]

Eric Carzon:  Just a little noodling there.

David Payne:  Well, thank you.  And well as a musician yourself, do you have any advice for any budding musicians?

Eric Carzon:  Oh yeah, I've got lots of advice.

David Payne:  We could fit a whole podcast with, I'm sure.

Eric Carzon:  Yeah.  But I think the first thing I would say that's most important to me is that if you're going to do music do it for yourself always first.  It's a way to be in touch with what's spiritual and keeps your inner child fed and happy, I like to say.  And I know music has helped me through some difficult times.  So it's a personal, it's a spiritual gift.  To the extent that you share it with other people, if those people are reasonable and kind then they will generally be supportive.  If you're asking for it then they should give you constructive criticism.  And if you've got other people that are being mean to you then they're not worth your time.  But play it for yourself first and foremost.  If I had never performed for anybody in my life I'd still be happy because the music is for me.  So don't be obsessed with perfection, because I see that in a lot of people.  You see people doing music and they stop because they're like, "Oh, I can't get this right.  I can't get this perfect."  It's like, well, who are you playing for.  Does it have to be perfect, I mean are you having fun?

David Payne:  It's all about the enjoyment, right.

Eric Carzon:  Exactly.

David Payne:  Yeah.

Eric Carzon:  So if you're having fun then roll with it.  Now that's not to say like if you really want to get good and get good enough that you could play for other people and they enjoy it, then that's great to go for as well.  But that it takes time.  I would say as well expose yourself to a variety of music, experience live music in variety as well, as music from tape and digital and wherever.  It doesn't have to be paid concerts though.  I mean there are churches; there are open mics, community events, library programs, city, county programs.  There's free music everywhere, so you don't have to pay for the music, but go see it live, go see somebody do it, observe them.  Because if you're serious about music and you want to get serious about performing it then you're definitely going to want to encounter other musical people and pick up and learn from them. 

From a practical perspective, if you really want to get good, as the Malcolm Gladwell book says, it takes about 10,000 hours to get super good at anything.

David Payne:  Right.

Eric Carzon:  10,000 hours of meaningful practice, he calls it.  And it's fun, but you got to make it - make it fun.  Don't make it a drag.  I used to put myself to sleep by kind of sitting with my guitar and taking a couple of chords and kind of just very meditatively doing everything I could with that chord.

David Payne:  Uh-huh.

Eric Carzon:  You know, I'd play an A sustained chord for 20 minutes and use my pinkies and other fingers to find every variation of that chord that I possibly could, and I would do that for hours on end and days on end.  When you strung it all together you can write a whole song that way.  And that's what I did; a lot of my songs come from some of those exercises.  The other thing I'd say is don't be afraid to deviate a little or improvise.  I get a lot of these musical books and sometimes they get really contorted.  You're like reading that Hal Leonard and you're like, "Oh my god, I can't make that chord.  My fingers just don't bend into that shape."

David Payne:  Right.

Eric Carzon:  You know, improvise.  Sometimes you could leave a couple of fingers off and that chord will be close enough or you could pick a couple of notes and kind of skip over, especially if it's like a real quick change.  Don't feel like that is the total gospel.  Sometimes search around for other versions.  Sometimes a song, like the original song as done by the artist or actually as cooked up by some staffer at Hal Leonard or Alfred or one of those other music company books might look super complicated to you, but then do a little Google searching or whatever, you might encounter like a super simple, like - here, here's the three-chord version of that same song.  Okay, it might not sound like Janis Joplin, or Def Leppard, or Pink Floyd did it originally, but if it's close enough and you can play it and enjoy it, hey, go for it.  So don't be afraid.  What's the worst that could happen?  You're not going to get fined.

I would say two - and I'm a little bit of a music snob on this, don't buy a cruddy instrument if you can avoid it.  We have really good music stores in the county and you don't have to buy - I'm not advocating that you buy top dollar, but if you're going to buy an instrument get something that's going to stay in tune and it produces the sound properly.  For guitars, that means you want a solid top natural wood guitar, and those are very common, it's not like it's hard to find that.  And in some cases you're only talking about a difference of maybe $50 or $100.  I talked about the pricing for ukulele earlier.  And like for guitar something between $150 and $350 will get you a good solid guitar that stays in tune and plays well.  Much more than that and you're paying for something that's made of real special wood and sounds extra uber super-duper good and was made in America or something like that, I mean you're paying for that kind of thing.

But they mass produce guitars in Mexico and China pretty well.  And for that price point of $150 to $350 you can get some good guitar.  For a guitar, you want spruce or mahogany; you don't want laminate for the soundboard.  For the neck, laminate is fine.  If you get the stuff that's too cheap, like the stuff you find in Toys "R" Us, or Target, or Costco, yeah, you're essentially paying for a toy.  So you're still going to pay $60 to $100 for it, and for another $50 you could've got yourself a real instrument.  So I had some good instruments to start with, and those were the instruments I really learned to play on.  I tried to get some junkie instruments, like I wanted an electric guitar, but I got a piece of junk.  So, like for 10 years, I didn't really learn how to play electric guitar because what I had was …

David Payne:  And the sound was probably horrible too.

Eric Carzon:  Exactly.  And it didn't produce sound and it didn't stay in tune.  So if you want to learn how to play an instrument do your best to find one that actually plays, because otherwise you're going to hate it, then you're not going to play it as much or not going to play it at all.  And then you wasted your money and you lost out on the opportunity to really learn how to play something well.

David Payne:  Right, so shop around.

Eric Carzon:  Yeah.

David Payne:  Well, learning an instrument as an adult can seem particularly daunting.  Do you have any tips for adults who want to try an instrument?

Eric Carzon:  Yeah, definitely.  Now, everything I just said about the budding musician sort of applies.  Do it for yourself first.  You don't have to shoot for a Grammy, unless you want a Grammy.  And then if you want a Grammy don't be scared, go for it.  But it's going to take you 10,000 hours.  But don't let that sort of quality; search for perfection dominate your experience because that's not what it's about.  I do highly recommend the ukulele because I think almost anybody can learn how to play it.  It's a little less painful too.  Like one of the things that dissuades people from guitar sometimes is that it does hurt your tips of your fingers a little bit.  Not long, I mean, if you spend a month or so getting used to it then you won't feel any pain anymore, and it's really not that much pain.  But some people are very - everybody is different, so some people are more sensitive to that pain than others.

The nice thing about ukuleles and guitars is that you don't have to know how to read music.  And like with piano or saxophone or a lot of those other instruments, you are going to have to learn how to read music otherwise you're not going to be able to do anything.  So with guitar and ukulele they're great amateur beginner instruments because they have all tons of books with the little chords just diagrammed right on there so you can look at the little diagram like, "Oh, that's where my fingers go."  And you do it and you can play a whole song and learn it, so it's easy.  I've been playing for 30 years, I still don't know how to read music, but I can play a lot of different songs.  So I do highly recommend the uku and the guitar for that reason.  I did take a class here and there, and that's good to do.  If ArtistWorks was around when I was younger I would've been all over that.

So the online courses where you've got sort of a master player and they're showing you everything, and you got little videos, and you can watch them.  And they chunk it up in these little five and seven-minute segments, so you can take it at your own pace.  Those are awesome, and you should definitely try that out.  I've tried it myself and I like it.  And I know people who have tried it and they really enjoyed it.  The other thing is to find people.  One of the programs we'll talk about a little later is by a group called the Songwriters' Association of Washington.  And they, if you Google them, is their website, and they have oodles of events, like pretty much two to four times a week they've got something going on somewhere in the region, all the way up as high as Baltimore, as far west as Manassas, everything on the western shore, pretty much from Washington County down to Charles County, they've got something.  And a lot of Montgomery County, Washington, D.C., and Arlington, and Fairfax events especially.

But there's others groups, there's one called, I think it's like the Northeast Regional Folk Alliance or I might be butchering their name a little bit.  But if you look around there are some organizations, they are either low-cost or free to join, or you can attend their events and you don't have to be a member, because a lot of them do open mics at bars and stuff.  And then there's church groups, community groups, put it on a bulletin board.  There's lots of different ways to connect with other people playing music, I guess, is what I'm getting at.

David Payne:  Right.

Eric Carzon:  And if you really want the full experience, that's the full experience.  So find some other people and play with them and learn with them, start your own little group if you want.  A lot of these events are - songwriters' circle in somebody's basement, so you come to their house with your guitar and some cheese and crackers, and everybody sits around and plays, and you learn from each other that way.  So I definitely highly recommend that as part of the experience.

David Payne:  That's great.  Let's turn now to music resources.  And start by asking you, what print resources does MCPL offer about music, musicians, and learning to play instruments or sing?

Eric Carzon:  Oh yeah, so we have a wealth of stuff.  It's generally in the non-fiction section, in what I call the 780s, so that the non-fiction range from 780 to 799 contains pretty much all of the music books.  And it's a variety of things, so it's going to be books about artists.  So there'll be the big thick book about The Beatles or The Rolling Stones, or whatever, so there's that, so if you want to learn about musicians.  Then there's sheet music, and then there's how to play different instruments or how to care for different instruments, and also books about like the music business.  So we have that full spread.  And I brought some with me just to give you a quick - so in my little stack here I've got, How to Rap, the Art and Science of the Hip-Hop MC; Anatomy of a Song: The Oral History of 45 Iconic Hits That Changed Rock, R&B and Pop; from the children's section I got Learn to Play Keyboards; Usborne's Guitar for Beginners.

From the adult section, we've got Jazz, Rock, and Funk Guitar; Guitar Aerobics, which is like a daily exercise regimen to strengthen your fingers and improve your skills; Drum Circle: A Guide to World Percussion, that teach you how to play that djembe drum or the bongos or the congas, The Ukulele 3 Song Chord Book, so a lot of songs, pop songs broken down into three very easy chords; Alto Sax, 101 Hit Songs; Disney Hits for Ukulele; and one of my current reads, The Daily Ukulele: 365 Songs, so you can learn one song a day on ukulele; and of course, Hamilton: Music for Piano, Vocals, and Guitar.

David Payne:  All right.

Eric Carzon:  So that's kind of a sampling of physical books.  And there's also DVDs in that, and I wouldn't ignore our DVD collection.  In a couple of different dimensions they're important.  You've got DVDs in non-fiction, such as You Can Play Electric Blues: A Complete Course for Beginner; and I know there's a good bass course on DVD as well.  From the juvenile section there's a thing, I think most every branch has this, called, The Music Factory, and it's like eight or 10 different DVDs with like basic music for kids.  And then you've got stuff like - I've got Jimi Hendrix Live at Woodstock, so pick up a couple of the DVDs of the sort of major live concerts, Absolute Guitar for Beginners, another course.  And of course, you've got movies that either are musical or are either fiction about music or like sort of classical, like Broadway - we got a lot of Broadway.

In fact, with me here I've got Rent and The Jazz Singer, the Al Jolson version, I've got Singin' in the Rain; Jersey Boys, and Pitch Perfect.  So that's also a great way to experience music, so highly recommend that.  And then last but not least, we do have CDs in the branches.  I brought with me a copy of The Beatles, The White Album.  So physical collection, we've got CDs, we've got DVDs, we've got books, and definitely worth taking advantage of.

David Payne:  Some great examples there.  And I should mention to our listeners that, again, the resources that we mention in today's podcast can all be found under the show notes on the MCPL podcast website.

You mentioned ArtistWorks previously.  Can you tell us about that, and some of the other digital resources for music and musical schools that MCPL has?

Eric Carzon:  Great.  Yes, absolutely.  So, everything starts from the main webpage.  So go to our webpage,  And when you're looking right at it, in the left, the sort of first menu is Books, Movies, and Music.  So you go Book, Movies, and Music, and go Find, and then you go find Music.  So when you get to that menu article pops up, and that's everything we got about music is kind of in that article, and it's got a couple of tabs.  One, the sort of first tab has a lot of our digital assets, and then the second tab talks more about our books and our scores.  So, two of the standout digital resources are Freegal and the American music Streaming Music collection.

So, we'll start with Freegal.  So Freegal stands for free and legal.  So, there are over four million songs in every genre that you can imagine in Freegal.  And so you login for the first time, you give it your library card number and your pin number and you can download the songs from Freegal, and they come to you as DRM-free files, MP3 files, which basically means you can do anything you want with that file, you want to email it to yourself, you want to put it in your collection whether - like I'm an iTunes user, so I download it and then I put it into my iTunes library and I can make playlists with all my other iTunes songs that I bought from iTunes or that I burned from CDs that I owned.  If you're a Rhapsody user you can do the same thing or a general Windows user you can do the same thing because it's an MP3 file.  So whatever you have it'll manipulate.  And it's got everything from pop, to classical, to world music.

Some things that are on Freegal, you've got Daft Punk, they've got Adele, Springsteen, they've got classical music, world music, jazz, probably hundreds of thousands of artists literally.  They've got the really popular stuff in broad array, and then they've got stuff that you've probably never heard of that you could explore.  Now, I will say this about electronic music, nobody, absolutely nobody has everything.  So Freegal has the Sony catalogue, and they estimate that it's about a quarter of what you would consider popular music.  And then the rest of the world is divided between Apple, Rhapsody, and other music services, so none of them have access to everything digitally.  But you can download five songs a week per account.  So you can get pretty deep into music with that capability.

And it has lists, so you can do previews and you can put stuff on wish lists so you can remember what you wanted to download and then each time you login you can download another, and I think it turns over every Sunday night.  So Sunday, at midnight, turns over, and the next week starts fresh.  And it's great.  You don't - Freegal is atypical of library services in that you do not have to return these songs.  You check out the song, it's yours forever.  And so that's not something you'll find in almost any other library product.  But that makes it very easy to put them in your collection and manipulate them.  And we'll come back to Freegal in a minute, because I have some fun things about Freegal.

But I want to talk about the American Music Streaming Collection.  And so this is from a - the company is called Alexander Street, and you can actually just search the whole collection or they have it broken down, like they have certain major categories.  So they have like American music, classical music, world sounds, and they have a - it's a mix of music, spoken word, and sounds.  So you can hear everything from recordings of the poems of Langston Hughes, or you can have like sounds from nature.  I did a search for frogs, I think it's - if you want to near a North American bull toad song they've got an entry about that, or I did animal sounds and they've got one with lions in the zoo.  They got a lot of spoken word, so they got like a lot of famous works that are being read either by the original person or by somebody famous who is reading somebody famous.  And then of course there's the music.

It's great especially like - really, I like blues and early jazz.  So a couple of searches that they have a deep amount of songs in our Nina Simone, Bessie Smith, that was the woman in that HBO recent series.  So if you want to know what she's all about you could do a search and they've got tons of songs from her.  Billie Holiday, the famous blues player Lead Belly.  Then they've got world music, and like an example of that, I did sort of a random search and Chernobyl songs came up, so authentic sort of Russian, Ukrainian ethnic music.  And then we talked about frogs.  Here's a couple of interesting searches to do.  Search for The Lion Sleeps Tonight, and you get lots of the different versions of The Lion Sleeps Tonight.  And then if you didn't know, The Lion Sleeps Tonight actually comes from an African song in the '30s called, Mbube, m-b-u-b-e.

So search of that, and that will - that is actually the name of the genre of music from South Africa, so you'll actually come up with a bunch of South African songs in that genre that are beautiful, they sound wonderful.  And then, of course, there are tons of versions of The Lion Sleeps Tonight, which was also known as Wimoweh because that's what Pete Seeger brought it over to America, and that's what he called it.  And so if you search for that then you'll get like all 18 different versions of him, and then the - I think it was The Tokens that made it famous the second time around, in the mid 50's.  So it's a very interesting collection.  It's got a lot of deep depth that you can get in to.

And then I did this little - I call it Freegal fun, so I do these little poems made up of songs that I got from Freegal.  So for instance, here's one; Bruce is not bitter baby.  I was born in the USA.  Baby, I was born to run.  Hard times in my hometown.  We have all got a hungry heart for the glory days.  And then here's one for blues; I went down to the crossroads to tell my baby that she done lost her good thing now.  The thrill is gone, damn right, I got the blues.  So there's five blues songs in each of those - in that poem.  Blues two I did was; The sky is crying, mustang sally, voodoo child, let the good times roll.  And then finally, Adele's Lament, this is all from her 25 album; Don't you remember how we set fire to the rain with our love song, now we've just turning tables.  So that's what you can do with Freegal, I highly recommend.  It's a lot of fun.

David Payne:  You've given us some great examples of some very powerful resources there.  Let's talk a bit about music programming that MCPL offers?

Eric Carzon:  Oh yeah.  So there's two monthly series that I know of, and I did sort of a search for programming, so I think I'm correct in asserting that just these two.  So there's mine, at Twinbrook I call it Make More Music Discussion Group.  And we've had our two groups so far.  So it's going to be the first Monday of every month at 6:30.  Keep an eye out on the webpage or call us to - just in case there's a holiday or something.  But so far, there have not been any holiday blockages for first Mondays, so that's one of the reasons I picked first Mondays, so first Monday, 6:30, Twinbrook.  Mine is a very open format.  I'll do a little demo, a little clinic if there's anybody who has an issue and they want to see if the group has any advice about it, and then some sharing if people want to share.

Now actually, the first couple of groups, we've had a lot of kids and they've not had anything to share per say, but they wanted to explore the instruments, and so we basically did that for a large portion.  But I did have some sharing in the first - we had this wonderful guy, he just played classical guitar throughout the whole conversation, for like 20 minutes, and he was just awesome.  And he was like, "Oh, I just learned this as a student.  I don't really play well."  And he's playing like this guitar god.  So you never know what you're going to encounter.  I mean he was wonderful.  So that's mine.

And then at the Rockville Library, they have a monthly songwriters' workshop, it's the second Saturdays, at 12:30.  So it runs from 12:30 to 3:00.  And it's a song circle by the Songwriters' Association of Washington.  So what they generally do in this program is somebody will probably speak for a little bit at the beginning, maybe play two or three songs.  So they'll have sort of somebody more experienced who will start everything off and give some tips to the rest of the audience.  And then, basically, they'll go in a circle and they'll take turns.  So everybody who wants to participate, they'll get to play one song.  And you can bring - in fact they encourage you to bring 10 or 15 copies of your song and you pass it around, and people can give you constructive criticism and advice.

People sometimes - you can come with a partial song, and sometimes people have kibbutz on heh have you tried this lyric, I thought about that lyric, or did you think about changing this word or this chord structure, or do this or do that."  So, it's really great if you want to get into songwriting, and you want to get some advice from folks.  It's a great experience.  Then the other thing is that all the branches are - we're always doing some kind of musical program.  So on any given week somebody somewhere in Montgomery County Public Libraries is sponsoring a musical event of some sort.  I know the Olney Library, about once a quarter; they have kind of an open mic that's themed.  Their last one I think they had was like kids; they did like a 60's one which was a lot of fun.  And I think they did the 70's and maybe even the 80's.

So they're doing like decades and other specialties.  But the last one they did was with kids.  I haven't seen one posted yet, so that one you'll have to keep a watch out for or call, and say, "Hey, when is your next open mic?"  But then I know, for instance, at Twinbrook, we're also having a jazz program on December 13th with Christiana Drapkin who is regional, she's done a lot of accent libraries in Montgomery County and other jurisdictions.  So we're doing jazz for kids specialty, and then a lot of branches are doing something.  So there is something, like I said, every week.  And so if you search or ask your branch what's coming up they'll tell you.  If you search our events calendar from our web page you would want to look - there's a checkbox on the left, and if you checked performing arts and then selected all branches and gave it a date range, it would show you all the programs coming up that involve a performance.

And like I just did a search before I came here and I got two pages worth of hits going out all the way until June 30th of 2019.  So, there's definitely musical acts, and they vary everything from jazz, to folk.  I don't have one booked yet, but I'm going to book a drum circle some time before the end of 2019.  And I'd say it's probably evenly divided between stuff for adults and stuff for kids.  So some of the musical programs are specifically designed for children, and some of them are for all ages.

David Payne:  And we should also talk about a couple of significant music programs, Vinyl Record Day, and the Make Music Montgomery Contest.

Eric Carzon:  Oh yes, excellent.  Thank you.  Yeah, so on April 27th, 2019; we are hosting the second annual Day of the Record Vinyl Record Musical Festival at the Silver Spring library.  This is going to be from about 12:00 to 4:00.  And one of the main events of Vinyl Record Day is going to be what we call, Make Music Montgomery.  So in December, we will release instructions on MCPL website for a call for auditions.  So we're looking for folks who have about three-minute acts, and they must include a live musical component.  So you could play a song.  Doesn't have to be original, but you got to play a song.  You could have a dance act as long as somebody is doing live music while the other person is dancing, or you can dance and sing at the same time if you want.

So the advice is going to be open.  We're looking for as diverse a grouping of acts as we can.  But this is a musical festival so we are insisting on a live musical component.  But that's going to be a lot of fun.  You'll be able to submit your auditions via an electronic file, which should be pretty easy for most folks.  And we will have at least one live audition.  I'll have one on my February 4th Make Music Discussion Group, will be live auditions for folks who want to come and audition live.  But if you don't want to audition live you can still submit the file.  And the submissions will be open from approximately mid December through the end of February.

David Payne:  And as far as Vinyl Record Day, building on a very successful first year, last year.

Eric Carzon:  Oh yeah, it was great.

David Payne:  Yeah.

Eric Carzon:  And so aside from the Make Music Discussion or the Make Music event at Vinyl Record Day, the other things, we'll have a keynote speaker, which we're still negotiating with, should be a lot of fun, and a panel discussion, and then a lot of other fun events.  The super fun event we will have again is making crafts with records.  So we'll have a whole bunch of beat up records and record covers, and you'll be able to make a craft out of that.  And that was super popular at the last event.  There'll also be an auction and a sale of vinyl records.  So the friends of the library will bring tons of records to buy.

David Payne:  Great.  So stay tuned for Vinyl Record Day.  Now, do you have a favorite book about music or about a particular musician?

Eric Carzon:  Yeah.  I quite enjoyed the book, Legends, Icons, & Rebels by Robbie Robertson.  It's in our collection.  I think most often it's in the teen collection.  It's got a lot of beautiful pictures, and stories, and two CDs, so it basically talks - it does like short bios of a lot of the major musicians of sort of the golden age of rock and roll, so everybody from Chuck Berry, to Bob Marley, to Carol King, Bruce Springsteen, I think is in there as well, Aretha Franklin, folks like that.  Another book that I recommend is The Rap Year Book.  Whether you're in to rap or not, because I'm not super into rap, but there's some rap songs I do like, and it's such a major part of our culture that I wanted to learn more about it.

And this book is great because it takes one rap song, from like 1979 up through I think the mid 90's, and talks about the song and how it came about and the artists.  And it's fascinating stories about some of these songs, and it's a really great read.  And that is also in our collection, and I highly recommend that one.

David Payne:  Well, from books to songs.  Do you have a favorite song?

Eric Carzon:  I - it's a hard question because there's 50 or more songs that I love dearly and play often, not including my own songs that I've written.  But if I had to go with one I'm going to go with Smile.  And I didn't know this about Smile until you asked me this question, I did a little research.  And Smile was originally written by Charlie Chaplin as an instrumental.  And he wrote it for his last silent film, Modern Times.  And around that time, his mother had passed away.  So it's kind of a sad by sweet song.  And later on two lyricists, named John Turner and Geoffrey Parsons, added the lyrics to it.  Shortly thereafter, Nat King Cole, I think was first, and then a couple of years later, Tony Bennett both made the song with the lyrics, and that's what made the song famous.  And since then it's been covered by everybody from Barbara Streisand to Michael Jackson and in between.

In fact Michael Jackson loved it so much it was his favorite song and he put it on - well he didn't; the people who made History after he died, HIStory put it on and they put on his version of Smile on to HIStory.  At least according to MTV, that's where I got some of this information.  Tony Bennett's version is still my favorite version, although I must say my second favorite is the TV show, Glee, did a great version of Smile with ukulele.  And I like their version as well.

David Payne:  Well, we typically close our podcast by asking our guests to tell us about a book they are currently reading or recently enjoyed.  So what can you share with us?

Eric Carzon:  Okay, I'm ready.  I've been reading - I've been taking the MCPL 2018 reading challenge, and I am three books away from finishing, so I am getting there.

David Payne:  Good man.

Eric Carzon:  I am reading The Daily Ukulele, so picked some songs there to sort of expand my repertoire of ukulele music.  I am just starting March: One, by Congressman John Lewis, and it's great.  I've read March: Three, so I started kind of backwards.  But it's great because it gives you a lot of information about the Civil Rights era, and told from a not Martin Luther King perspective.  Because we're all taught Martin Luther King, and that's important, but it's great to see other perspectives related, I mean because he worked with Dr.  King, so - but it's great to see sort of all the other players, and he really goes in to that.  He like talks about a lot of the different people and a lot of the history of some of those super important seminal events in our history.  So I'm looking forward to finishing March: One.

The other book I'm reading is Gather Together in My Name, which is the second autobiography by Maya Angelou.  And I'd always heard about Maya Angelou and heard little snippets of her poems from the presidential inaugurations and whatnot.  But I'd never taken the time to read one until I finally read I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, which was her first autobiography, and it was unbelievable.  So I actually listened to it in audiobook from the collection, and then - so I've picked up the second, because now I - the first audiobook, I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, she sort of ends as an adolescent and she's like a young teenage mom, and then like ends.  You're like, "What happened?"  So the second book picks up and continues her story.  So I'm really looking forward to that.

David Payne:  Well, Eric, thank you very much for joining us today and sharing your passion for music, your knowledge in music.  And congratulations on a great start with the Library of Things Music.

Eric Carzon:  Thank you.

David Payne:  Look forward to seeing it go from strength to strength.

Eric Carzon:  Thank you.  Appreciate it.

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Thank you for listening to our conversation today.  And see you next time.

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Dec 4, 2018

Summary: Musician and Twinbrook Branch Manager Eric Carzon talks with host David Payne about the Library of Things Music, the new instrument lending program at Twinbrook Library, as well as MCPL's many other music related resources and programs.

Recording Date: November 7, 2018

Guest: Eric Carzon, Branch Manager at Twinbrook Library

Host: David Payne

What Our Guest Is Reading

The Daily Ukulele by Liz and Jim Beloff 

Gather Together in My Name by Maya Angelou

March by John Lewis

MCPL Books and Other Resources Mentioned During this Episode:

101 Hit Songs, Alto Sax 

Absolute Beginners, Guitar (DVD)

Anatomy of a Song by Marc Myers


Beatles, The White Album

Bessie (DVD)

Brave New Blues Guitar by Greg Koch

Disney Hits for Ukulele

Drum Circle: A Guide to World Percussion by Chalo Eduardo and Frank Kumor

Freegal: Download up to 5 MP3 songs for free each week. 

Guitar Aerobics by Troy Nelson

Hamilton: An American Musical by Lin-Manuel M

How to Rap, the Art and Science of the Hip-Hop MC by Paul Edwards

I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou

Jazz, Rock & Funk Guitar by Dan Brown

The Jazz Singer (DVD)

Jersey Boys (DVD)

Jimi Hendrix Live at Woodstock (DVD)

Learn to Play Keyboards by Emma Danes

Legends, Icons, & Rebels: Music that Changed the World by Robbie Robertson

Library of Things Music: A collection of musical instruments at Twinbrook Library that customers can check out. 

Modern Times (DVD)

Music Factory (DVD): Music education videos for children.

Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell

Pitch Perfect (DVD)

The Rap Year Book by Shea Serrano

Rent (DVD)

Singin' in the Rain (DVD)

Songwriters' Toolbox: A monthly workshop/song circle that meets monthly at Rockville Memorial Library. 

Streaming Music from Alexander Street: Stream popular, classical, world, jazz, historical, and many other genres of music. 

Twinbrook "Make More Music" Discussion Group 

The Ukulele 3 Chord Songbook

You Can Play Electric Bass (DVD)

Other Items of Interest

Hal Leonard: Music publisher

The Lion Sleeps Tonight / Mbube

Smile: Song based on an instrumental piece used in Charlie Chaplin's movie Modern Times. It is one of Eric Carzon's favorite songs. 

Song Writer's Association of Washington

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Nov 21, 2018

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David Payne:  Welcome to Library Matters, with your host, David Payne.

Julie Dina:  And I'm Julie Dina.

David Payne:  And today we're going to be talking about energy efficiency.  We're recording this in the first week of November, just a few days after we put our clocks back, which means, of course there's lighter mornings but darker evenings.  It means winter is coming.  And of course as winter energy bills are coming.  So, what better time to talk about energy efficiency.  And joining us today to share their expertise, a very warm welcome to Angelisa Hawes, who is MCPL's Assistant Director of Facilities, and ADA matters.

Angelisa Hawes:  Hi, thank you.

David Payne:  And also a very warm welcome to Larissa Johnson, who is with the Montgomery County Department of Environmental Protection.  And you have the very elaborate title of Residential Energy Program Manager.  Did I get that right?

Larissa Johnson:  That is correct.  And thank you so much for having me.

David Payne:  So, let's start off.  We talk about energy efficiency, let's start off by asking, well, what does emergency efficiency mean?

Larissa Johnson:  Yes, so that is a great question, especially because of this time of the year.  And what I would love to start with is the fact that there is a difference between energy conservation and energy efficiency.  So, energy conservation pertains to not using energy.  So we hear this all the time when people say, "Turn off the lights" or "Take a shorter shower, five minutes."  That's the recommendation; things of that nature.  Basically the understanding is that the cheapest kilowatt hour is the kilowatt hour that we do not use.  So energy conservation is where we start when we do outreach and education in the county.  And then we move to energy efficiency.  And energy efficiency is when you use new technologies to do the same tasks.

So, for instance, lighting, which is a big one; it's a super easy win for everyone in their homes, in their offices, in their churches.  So, switching from incandescent light bulbs to LED, or light-emitting diodes, is one of the most energy-efficient things you can do.  And it's a new technology, which means it uses less energy.  So, when I'm out in the community and people ask me, "But how much energy is this LED using?"  A typical incandescent light bulb uses 60 watts of energy, and an LED that is the same brightness, that is the same color, uses about 9 watts of energy.  So that's just a little introduction to the difference between energy conservation and energy efficiency.

David Payne:  Let me ask you, and this may be a rather obvious question, but why is energy efficiency important?

Larissa Johnson:  Yeah, so I have to say that energy conservation is the most important thing, because we want to reduce how much energy we're using.  Then we want to use energy efficiently, and then we want to switch to renewable energy.  So it's a little bit of a drive down the road.  You want to take one stop first before you make the other stops.

So, yes, energy efficiency is super important because we want to use less energy overall, and we want to make sure that we're using our energy as efficiently as possible.  We use it every single day for everything we do.  We use it to heat our food, to refrigerate our food, we use it to heat our showers; everything that you can think of we're using electricity and energy every single day.

David Payne:  That just about covers it.

Larissa Johnson:  Yeah.

Julie Dina:  Now, I know you mentioned a lot of information about energy conservation.  What exactly does Montgomery County's Department of Environmental Protection do?

Larissa Johnson:  Yeah.  So they have me.

Julie Dina:  Number one.

Larissa Johnson:  They created the position as the Residential Energy Program Manager, it is my job to go out into the community and talk to residents about how to reduce their energy usage, how to be more efficient, and how to switch to renewable energy.  That's just what we do for outreach.  But then within the Department of Environmental Protection, we also walk the walk.  So we make sure that we're as energy efficient as possible as well as an agency.  And we really do, we have two different sides of the energy program.  I work on residential matters or things that have to do with county residents.  And then my colleague, Lindsey Shaw, she works on the commercial side of things.  And we have a few - we have some laws that back her work up.  And mine is really based on just educating and doing outreach in the community.

David Payne: So, Larissa, what are some of the service that DEP offers residents, and also businesses?

Larissa Johnson:  Sure.  We have a lot of different programs.  Now, I do have to preface this with the fact that DEP in the Montgomery County doesn't provide programs directly or incentives directly.  Now, I say that because we promote a lot of programs that exist in the state.  So, for instance, in Montgomery County and in Maryland as a whole, there's a program called EmPOWER Maryland, E-M-P-O-W-E-R Maryland.  And EmPOWER Maryland has been in existence since 2008.  And it is a law that was passed to reduce our energy consumption as a state.  So, all of the utilities, we have five utilities in the state, three in Montgomery County, we have Potomac Edison, BGE, and Pepco.  And all three utilities have to provide services to residents at no cost or low cost.

For instance, when I go out and do outreach, I'm always signing people up for something called a Quick Home Energy Checkup.  And that is when a contractor comes to your home, they switch out your light bulbs to LEDs, they give you high-efficiency showerheads, faucet aerators, they're going to wrap your hot water heater, they've going to give you an advanced power strip.  And they do an overall look at your apartment or house to see how energy efficient it is.  And this doesn't cost residents anything; it's a no-cost program.  It's already incorporate into your utility bills.  The EmPOWER program also does things for small businesses; it does things for large businesses.  The EmPOWER program is pretty large, so as the Montgomery County Residential Energy Program Manager, it's my job to make sure people know about these programs.

In Montgomery County, what we do have though is a residential property tax credit.  And that's available to anyone who does energy efficiency upgrades in their home, and they can get up to a $250 tax credit from the county.  So that's a direct program that we provide in Montgomery County.  Most of the other programs that are going to have dollars attached to them are going to be through the EmPOWER program as the state level.  But it's our role to make sure that residents know about these programs so that they're taking advantage of it and reducing their energy bills.

David Payne:  So, do residents find out about EmPOWER through your website, for instance, or directly from the utility providers?

Larissa Johnson:  Yeah, each utility does direct outreach through pamphlets, brochures, mailers, things of that nature.  And then they can also get information from our website, of course, yes.

David Payne:  Great.

Julie Dina:  That's good to know.

Larissa Johnson:  Yes.

Julie Dina:  Now, Angelisa, being the Assistant Director of Facilities and ADA for the Montgomery County Public Library could you tell us a little bit more about your role?

Angelisa Hawes:  Okay, so I started my role on April 30th, 2018.  And as the Director of Facilities and ADA, I'm responsible for facilities management for the 21 branches.  I like to say that from the time you step foot in our parking lot to the time you go into our buildings and use our facilities, our bathrooms; those are all the things that I'm responsible for.  I also oversee ADA for the library system, new construction, so like the new Wheaton Library, and the Refresh projects, worksite safety, of COOP, our COOP plan, which stands for Continuity of Operations Planning, so planning for things like disasters, whether it be fires, or a flood, or power outages, anything that affects our normal service.  I'm also responsible for risk management.  I'm also the liaison for security, and for the community use of public facilities.  And then I also oversee 10 library branches.

David Payne:  So you're busy.

Angelisa Hawes:  Yes

David Payne:  So, you talked about briefly the refreshes that you are working on and the system has been working on.  Can you tell us that in all your refreshes and plus the current existing buildings such as Sliver Spring, what has MCPL done to make their buildings more energy efficient and environmentally friendly?

Angelisa Hawes:  With the refreshes we have gone in and we have done energy-efficient LED lighting, some of them are new fixtures, and some are retrofitted.  We have placed water-efficient toilets and sinks in our facilities, some have automatic sensors, some are energy-efficient low-flow toilets.  We are putting carpet tiles in, that can be removed, rinsed, and replaced when they become dirty or soiled.  We use paints, adhesives, and sealants with low VOCs; we've added dual water fountains with bottle filling stations.  In all those locations we've also added hand-driers in to cut down the use of paper towels.  We also reuse items and furniture that are in good condition.  So with the refresh we'll have new items but - new furniture, but we will also have old furniture.

Another example of us reusing something is that the only branch where we reused existing brick and laminated wood beams from the old site.  We salvaged them and we put them back into the new building.  At Twinbrook, we've added an outside green space that's accessible for programs.  We have green roofs at Sliver Spring and Gaithersburg which helps with heating and cooling, but also with natural absorption and irrigation system.  We also, in our new buildings, are doing a lot of natural lighting, so buildings like Silver Spring and Olney have a lot of natural light.  The county has provided us with green power at Olney and Silver Spring libraries.  And we also have solar panels at Rockville Memorial Library and at Gaithersburg.

Julie Dina:  So Larissa, we've been at a lot of outreach events together.  For our listening audience, could you tell us if you have any DEP outreach events that are coming up actually in any of our branches, as well as let us know if there are any recent campaigns or initiatives that you might be working on?

Larissa Johnson:  Sure.  As I mentioned, I love working with libraries.  It's where people go for information.  So for me it's a no-brainer to have outreach events at libraries.  And I try to make them as interactive and engaging as possible.  So when I first started with the Department of Environmental Protection, we celebrated National Energy Action Month, which is something that happens every October.  And we partnered with six libraries to provide energy exploration events, which were interactive experiences for all ages.  It was a way for us to bring energy efficiency, which is such a weird concept for some folks or just not a fun concept.  So we made arcade games to talk about the different ways that you could be energy efficient in your homes.  So we brought that to libraries in October of 2016, was the first time we did it.  And then we did it again, in 2017, at six different libraries.

During that time, we also found out that the Summer Reading Program, which happens every summer, had an amazing theme.  And I think in 2017 it was, Build a Better World.  And so we were able to use that as an opportunity to outreach to kids and to families about renewable energy.  So we did Energy Express events at all of the library locations, and we made wind turbines, and solar cars with kids during those events.  And then this year, we brought that back again and when libraries rocked this summer, during the Summer Reading Program, we talked about where electricity comes from, and the fact that a lot of our electricity comes from coal, natural gas, and nuclear energy, two of which basically come from rocks originally.  So we were able to use that.  So I try to find a way to use the summer reading theme as an opportunity to talk about energy, and to talk about what Department of Environmental Protection does.

And then of course, this October, for National Energy Action Month, we did something called Books and Bulbs.  So we deviated a little bit from the Energy Exploration events just because we had been to most of the libraries with that event.  So we went to six locations this October and did Books and Bulbs, where we had people bring us their old incandescent and compact fluorescent light bulbs, and they could swap them out for light-emitting diodes, the LED light bulbs I was talking about earlier.  And so they were able to do that.  They could bring me as many light bulbs as they wanted and then they received three LEDs in exchange.  So I think - I don't think, I do know that next summer we will be partnering with the libraries again on Energy Express events, again a way to connect the summer reading with STEM or STEAM opportunities and talk about energy.

And then we are also, just so everyone knows, you can always take out a Kill a Watt meter from your library.  So you just go to the catalogue system and you can find out how much energy you're using with certain appliance by using a Kill a Watt meter.  And sneak peek, this is brand new, but we will be adding thermal cameras to the library catalogue in the next six months, hopefully.

Julie Dina:  Oh, that's nice.

Larissa Johnson:  So people will be actually able to borrow an iPhone and Android-capable thermal cameras, they're extensions that you put on your phone, and then you can search your home to see how energy efficient your house is or where you have leaks and where it's super warm and where it's super cold, and it's pretty awesome.  We're going to have, hopefully, eight cameras in circulation.

David Payne:  You hear it first on Library Matters.

Julie Dina:  That's right.

Larissa Johnson:  Yeah, you really did.

Julie Dina:  I know earlier you mentioned people were able to turn in their light bulbs at certain outreach events.

Larissa Johnson:  Uh-huh.

Julie Dina:  Now that the summer is over, does DEP have specific stations or offices where people can still turn in their light bulbs, is this a year-round?

Larissa Johnson:  I do outreach in the entire county, and I don't just go to libraries.  I also go the senior centers, I go to recreation centers, I go to housing complexes, I go to Manna food distribution sites, I go to a lot of different locations.  So in December, I will actually be visiting a lot of senior centers, I'll be visiting Damascus, and Schweinhaut, and Bower Park, and a few other locations.  And I'll be doing light bulb exchanges, and also we will be turning incandescent light bulbs into ornaments.  So we're going to take your old inefficient light bulbs and turn them into a work of art.  So that's a fun event.

Julie Dina:  Wow.

Larissa Johnson:  Yeah.

Julie Dina:  I imagine people can get this information on your website?

Larissa Johnson:  Yes.  So our website is, and then if you backslash energy, or if you just go to you can find our information there.  We have a calendar there, and all of these events are located there.  We also have a Facebook page, which is mygreenmontgomery, and you can find information there as well.

Julie Dina:  You heard it folks.

Larissa Johnson:  Come bring your light.

David Payne:  So, Angelisa, what are some of the resources MCPL offers to help customers go green?

Angelisa Hawes:  Well, we have free scanning services from our copiers in all of our branches.  We offer programs such as composting, Energy Express, Books and Bulbs.  We have online resources such as e-books, e-magazines, music and movies; we have books and resources on green living.  And with our partnership with DEP, as we've been talking about during this session, we pass out green bags, light bulbs for the Books and Bulbs program, we also have compost bins at Damascus, Maggie Nightingale, Kensington Park, and the FLO Silver Spring bookstore.  The other thing that we have done recently is we have discontinued mailing out postcards for holds.  So we either call you, text, or email you.  So those are just-

David Payne:  It's a significant contribution there.

Angelisa Hawes:  Yes.  I get a lot of those hold emails.

Larissa Johnson:  Yeah, and they offer the Kill a Watt meters, which are housed here at Rockville Library, but again, people can request them, and then they get sent directly to their library.  So that's been a resource for the last five years or so.

Julie Dina:  Okay, Larissa, so what would you consider is the most important step we can take right now towards being more environmentally responsible?

Larissa Johnson:  Okay, so there is not just one step, there are a few steps.  The first step is to make sure that we are using less energy, so conserving our energy, so turning off our lights, shorter showers; things of that nature.  The next thing would be to be more energy efficient, so switching to LED light bulbs is the easiest thing you can do in your home.  The next thing would be to switching to clean energy or to renewable energy.  So for those that have the ability it would be to install solar panels on their homes or on their barns or over their carports, wherever they can.  And then if you don't have that ability, there are other options.  So there are things like switching to clean power.  So in Maryland, we're a choice state, which means you get to choose who your energy supplier is.

So in Montgomery County residents can choose to go to wind energy or cleaner energy, and they would just go to our website, and then look for Green Choices, that's what they're going to look for.  And it's going to tell them what companies are available to them to switch to clean energy.  And then they also have the ability to go solar, either putting solar panels on their roofs or participating in community solar, and that's another project that's happening in Montgomery County.  And you can find more information on our website.  And again, like Montgomery County Libraries is already a leader in this.  They have solar panels on the roofs of their libraries, on Rockville Memorial and on Gaithersburg.

David Payne:  So Angelisa, having said that, can you give us an example of how solar power makes a difference?

Angelisa Hawes:  So at Gaithersburg, Solar City installed 720 panels on the roof.  And we are generating over 270,000 kilowatt hours per year.

Larissa Johnson:  That's a lot of hours.

Julie Dina:  Now, Larissa, could you tell us if there's any particular project the DEP is actually working on currently?

Larissa Johnson:  We are actually working on a project that has been in a making for a little bit of time, but we've been trying to work with partners, and really get this program to be what the county needs.  And so as part of the Pepco-Exelon merger that happened a few years ago, the county received funding for energy programs, so one of them was to create the Montgomery County Green Bank.  So I don't know if residents know about that or if listeners know about that, but that is something that has been in existence for the last two years, and that's an opportunity for people to do energy projects and to have financing to help them do those energy projects.  So that's something that's good for residents and for businesses.

And another part of that Pepco-Exelon merger was to bring Montgomery County an Energy Coach Network.  And so we are in the process of putting that together and working with Health and Human Services, with Department of Housing and Community Affairs, with the public libraries, with the senior centers.  And so we're going to be launching something soon.  I can't tell you what it's called.  I can tell you that you will have thermal cameras in libraries soon, and that is a part of this project, in this initiative.  So be on the lookout for something super exciting, and engaging, and fun.  And it's going to be a county-wide initiative and program, all around energy because energy is amazing and we use it every day.

In addition to the Montgomery County Green Bank, there are opportunities for homeowners to actually receive funding to help them to energy efficiency programs or any energy-efficiency projects in their home.  And so one of those is called the BeSMART Home Loan, and it's available to all residents in the entire state of Maryland.  And it's up to $30,000 for energy projects, and that can be retrofits, it could be home comfort projects, it could be installing solar panels, though it only pays a percentage of that or only provides you with a loan for a percentage of that.  And that's through the Department of Housing and Community Development.  And again, it's up to $30,000 worth of funding, and it's at a 4.99 APR.  And so that's another opportunity for residents and listeners to take advantage of that.  And once they do that program, then they can qualify for the Montgomery County Property Tax Credit, the energy property tax credit, so it's a double whammy, but in a good way.

David Payne:  Well, an important part of energy efficiency is LEED certification, L-E-E-D.  Angelisa, if I could turn to you and ask you, Sliver Spring, Olney, and Gaithersburg libraries have gold LEED certifications.  Can you tell us a little bit about the LEED certification process, what it means, and are there any future libraries that will be trying for LEED certification?

Angelisa Hawes:  Okay.  LEED stands for Leadership in Energy & Environmental Design.  And it is an internationally-recognized green building certification system.  LEED provides point system to score green buildings' design and construction.  It's basically five basic areas, sustainable sites, water efficiency, energy in atmosphere, materials resources, and indoor environmental quality.  So buildings are awarded points based on those sustainable strategies.  The more points they're awarded the higher level of certification, which is silver, gold, or platinum.  So if you decided that you wanted to have a project that was LEED certified, you would first determine which you want to achieve, do you want to have silver or do you want to have gold.  You would register your project, you would submit your certification application, then you would wait, the application review, and then they would make a decision on which level you achieved.

So, as future libraries that we're trying for LEED certification would be the Wheaton Library that's going to be combined with the Rec Center.

David Payne:  So Larissa, turning to you, what about getting a home LEED certified, what are some of the pros and cons of doing that?

Larissa Johnson:  Yeah, so LEED certification is an option for homes.  And as Angelisa just pointed out, there are five areas, and energy is one of those areas, and you can get a certain amount of points for that.  The other thing is that you have to pay for LEED certification, so that's probably the biggest downfall is that there's a cost associated with it.  The upside is that there is funding to help you with that through the BeSMART Home Loan, and through other programs that exist to help you make your home more energy efficient.  One of the things that we talk about when we're talking about homes and energy efficiency is the Home Energy Rating System, or the HERS Index.  And that's also another tool that homeowners can use especially when they're interested in selling or buying homes, they can find out how energy efficient that home is.

So LEED is more comprehensive, and talks about sustainability, water usage, environmental air quality, and the design and materials that are used, whereas HERS specially talks to the energy efficiency of a home.  And also in Montgomery County, we have a disclosure form, so when you do buy a new home the homeowners - the previous homeowners have to give you the last 12 months worth of energy bills so that you can find out how energy efficient that home was.  So that's something that has been in existence here in the county as well.  So if you're interested in buying a home, looking for a new home, or just want to find out how energy-efficient your home is that's another opportunity.  And again, it's specifically connected to energy use, where as LEED is a much more comprehensive holistic approach to sustainability.

Julie Dina:  Now, Larissa, with all of that being said, how can county residents actually contact the DEP or find out more about your work.

Larissa Johnson:  It's very easy.  You can go to, which is our website that connects residents to all things green in Montgomery County, hence the name, mygreenmontgomery.  So you can find out information about what I'm doing around energy, you can find out what's happening around RainScapes and water, and all different areas that the Department of Environmental Protection focuses on.  That's the easiest way.  If people want to contact me directly it's, that's the easiest way to get in touch with me.  And I'm always happy to answer emails, that's the easiest way to get in touch with me because I'm out in the field so much that I'm not usually available via phone, so definitely emails.  Our website is a great opportunity as well.

David Payne:  And for listeners, who having heard the podcast want to take a look at how to be more energy efficient, what's the easiest step that someone can take right now to being more environmentally responsible?

Larissa Johnson:  Sure.  So I think that the most important step we can take right now is to take a step.  So like I said before, to conserve energy, so stop using energy.  Make sure that when you leave a room you are turning off the light, switching to LED light bulbs, we have lots of events where you can bring your old incandescent and CFL light bulbs to me and you can get LEDs at no cost to you.  So that's an easy, easy way to do it.  I want to really impress upon the fact that each choice that we make is impacting the entire system.  So a lot of people think that what does it matter if I turn off my light, it doesn't really impact anything.  But if you don't turn off your light, and everyone doesn't turn off their light because they don't think that their choices matter, then we have a big issue when it comes to energy choices.

So I really like to think about the solutions that we can do personally because that's going the impact the larger system.  And there is another book that I love, love, love, it's called Energy Choices, and it is a look at the solutions everyday people can make just in regular things, so switching to solar panels, buying an electric vehicle if you have the ability and have the interest in that.  Or super easy things, just walking to work or walking or using the metro, or using a bus.  Things like that, so.

David Payne:  I should of course remind listeners that all the resources that we mention today can be found in our show notes on the podcast section of MCPL's webpage.

Julie Dina:  And Larissa, I know you do a lot to conserve energy and let the whole world know about it.  Can you tell us about a strangest thing you've ever done in a quest to conserve energy?

Larissa Johnson:  Oh gosh.  The strangest thing I have ever done, so I actually, one of the things that I do provide residents with when they come to one of my workshops or one of my outreach events is a shower timer, and it's a five-minute shower timer.  And I absolutely love it.  I use it every single time I take a shower, I start it, and the sand starts coming down, and I know I have five minutes in my shower.  So I think that's the silliest, quirkiest thing I do.  And I'm happy to say that I can also share that with other residents because I provide them and I do workshops.  So it's not over-the-top super crazy, but it's a great way to conserve energy.

Julie Dina:  Sounds good.

David Payne:  So we typically close our podcast by asking our guests to tell us about a book they are enjoying or recently enjoyed, of course, under your LED light bulb, so let's start with Angelisa.

Angelisa Hawes:  So, I'm reading Radical Candor, but Kim Scott, because I want to be a better boss.  I think that starting from being a branch manager to becoming an administrator is a totally large jump.  And so I don't want to lose my humanity when I make decisions, and so this book was recommended by another administrator.  And so that's why I checked this book out.

Julie Dina:  Larissa?

Larissa Johnson:  Yes, so my book is one from Libby, and it's an audiobook, it's The Book of Joy, by Desmond Tutu and the Dalai Lama.  And so for me, I believe that all things are connected.  And so my personal energy impacts all of the choices I make, and that is something that I really believe in.  And so I really try to make sure that I am connecting to the joy that I have within myself, and the laughter.  And so this book has been inspirational, it's two amazing men talking about how joy has impacted their lives, they talk about sorrow, they talk about laughter, they talk about humanity and humility, and they bring it all together.  And it's just so nice.  And they have two actors that - or two readers that are reading it that sound just like the Dalai Lama and sound like Desmond Tutu, so that's one of the benefits of listening to a book on tape is you get to have different accents.  The downfall is you get no pictures.

Julie Dina:  You just have to come to the library and check out the book.

Larissa Johnson:  Exactly.

Julie Dina:  Well, I've got the say a big thank you to both our guests today on the episode.

Let's keep this conversation going by following us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and Pinterest.  Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast on the Apple Podcast app, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts.  Also, please review and rate us on Apple Podcast, we'd love to know what you think.  Thank you once again for listening to our conversation today.  See you next time.

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Nov 20, 2018

Summary: MCPL Assistant Director Angelisa Hawes and Department of Environmental Protection Program Manager Larissa Johnson discuss local energy efficiency initiatives and resources available throughout Montgomery County.  

Recording Date: November 7, 2018


Angelisa Hawes, MCPL Assistant Director for Facilities and ADA

Larissa Johnson, Residential Energy Program Manager, Montgomery County Department of Environmental Protection

Hosts: Julie Dina and David Payne

What Our Guests Are Reading:

Angelisa Hawes: Radical Candor: How to Be a Kick-Ass Boss Without Losing Your Humanity by Kim Scott

Larissa Johnson: The Book of Joy: Lasting Happiness in a Changing World by His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Archbishop Desmond Tutu

MCPL Books and Other Resources Mentioned During this Episode:

Energy efficiency books at MCPL

Kill a Watt energy meter 

Other Resources Mentioned During this Episode:

BeSMART Energy Efficiency Loan for Homeowners

EmPOWER Maryland

Montgomery County Department of Environmental Protection (DEP)

DEP Calendar of Events

Montgomery County Green Bank

My Green Montgomery

Quick Home Energy Check-up

Residential Property Tax Credit - Energy Conservation

Other Items of Interest

Home Energy Rating System (HERS)

Leadership in Energy & Environmental Design (LEED) in Montgomery County

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Nov 7, 2018

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Julie:  Hi, I'm Julie Dina.  In this episode of Library Matters, we're doing something a little different.  For the past few months, MCPL has invited children ages 10 through 14 to explore literature by recording a video about a book they've enjoyed. 

We've collected some of these book talks to share with our Library Matters listeners.  We hope you enjoy the enthusiasm these young readers have expressed for their books and for reading as much as we have. 

You can see these and more of MCPL’s literary explorer videos on our YouTube channel mcplmd.  MCPL’s literary explorer program was made possible by grants from the NBC Universal Foundation and Washington's NBC 4 

Book Reviewer 1:  Welcome to Serenity, America's ideal community, ideal, I muttered, ideal for clones until they figure out what's going on.  That's when it dawns on me.  I haven't seen a single human so far, no parents, no Purples, no sign of life: Masterminds, a criminal destiny by Gordon Korman. 

After their escape from the Purples, the four clones reach the outside world.  However, their mission is not finished yet.  They must bring down Project Desirous for the faith they had created for them and the other six clones.  The 11th had probably died during the escape.  The mission brings them back to the heart Serenity. 

There, they might learn an awful truth about their cloning.  Masterminds is filled with creative strategies to get out of nearly impossible problems, mixed with twists and turns, showing kids can do unbelievable things.  They can inspire you to make an incredible act for the community, but be careful, you might inhale the book.  

Book Reviewer 2:  What? And you're taking me where? How could you do this to me? Today, we're going to talk about the book The Truth About Stacey by Raina Telgemeier.  Stacey has had a crazy year between babysitting her diabetes and moving, she has had her hands full. 

She joins the club with three other people named Christy, Claudia and Marian.  She realizes that keeping quiet has changed her life and that she will never do it again.  I love this book because it was serious, funny at the same time and it had a lot of cliffhangers that popped up at surprising moments.  Find out more, read the book The Truth About Stacey by Raina Telgemeier.  

Book Reviewer 3: Being a kid can really stink sometimes especially when you're in middle school.  But sometimes the experience of being a kid can really be exciting and funny.  Diary of a Wimpy Kid is written by Jeff Kinney. 

This book is about a kid named Greg Heffley, whose life is ruined by his family: his big brother Roderick, his dad Frank, his mom Susan and his little spoiled, most loved, trouble-proof brother Manny. 

The book is a diary that Greg’s mom got him, but it's not cool to have a diary.  So Greg says, this is really just a journal.  Greg writes in his journal every day about his life at school and at home.  He has light bulbs that go off inside his brain. 

Sometimes the books blow out or explode, but it’s not really light bulbs that go off inside his brain, but ideas that sometimes work and sometimes backfire.  I love the Diary of a Wimpy Kid book series by Jeff Kinney because it makes me feel good inside and makes me giggle too and other people should read this book because whenever they're frustrated, it will make them feel better.  

Book Reviewer 4:  Have you ever found out that your friend is half goat? Battled the Minotaur? Saw your mom disappear in golden light and be claimed by the sea god making you a demigod? Probably not unless you’re Percy Jackson. 

In the Lightning Thief by Rick Riordan, Percy Jackson, along with Annabeth Chase and Grover Underwood the satyr embarks on a quest to return the master lightning bolt to Zeus, king of the gods.  Along the way, Percy and his friends battle Medusa, play with the three-headed dog, travel to the underworld, escape Hades, God of the dead and battle Aries, god of war.  Will he and his friends save the world from a war? Find out in the Lightning Thief.  

Book Reviewer 5:  Hello, my name is Avi G, and today I'll be talking about Wonder written by R.J. Palacio.  This story is about a boy named Auggie with a facial difference.  Many kids think he looks weird and that he is horrible and ugly. 

Only his family is there to protect him including his sister Via and his two parents, then he enters school at Beecher Prep in fifth grade.  School is a huge challenge for him.  Will he be able to overcome this challenge and make new friends and fit in with his peers or will he have to quit school eventually? This story is wonderful.  It just shows how a boy called Auggie can face the world and show that he can actually fit in. 

When seventh graders bully him and hurt him, he doesn't cry and stays strong and his friends help him deal with the bully.  Read this touching story about Auggie as he makes new friends and proves himself to be ordinary.  

Book Reviewer 6:  Hi, my name is Elise, and I'm here at the Olney Public Library recommending this book called Awkward.  Awkward is one of my favorite books because they include so many details about characters and different stories brought into life. 

And then also there's different comic strips on every page and the reason that I love this book is the characters go super well together but then there's also the bad times and it makes you super anxious to go to the next page, so you’ll just want to keep reading on and on and on about it. 

A good thing about this book is that there's an adventure on every page.  So each time you open up the book, there's always going to be something new to look forward to.  I love this book because it's just super fun and creative and it's just really cool.  

Book Reviewer 7:  Have you ever wondered what it's like to be as fast as a cheetah, strong as an elephant, heal like a starfish, climb like a lizard or have echolocation like a bat.  Well, in the book Going Wild by Lisa McMann, Charlie Wilde has all those powers.  Thanks to her bracelet she accidentally found. 

Charlie first discovered her powers playing her favorite sport, soccer.  She sprinted 70 miles per hour across the field, dodging everyone in her way except her enemy Kelly.  Kelly collided with Charlie and her foot smashed into Charlie's leg.  But Charlie barely felt a thing because of her activated bracelet.  Charlie is even more adventurous different than this one.  Find out by reading this action packed page turner.  

Book Reviewer 8:  How does it feel to go from being a rich, wealthy princess like girl to a poor, orphan servant.  This is the classic story The Little Princess by Frances Burnett.  It is a story of a girl named Sara Crewe whose life goes downward after she learns that her father has died and has left her without any money. 

This is a story set in England in a boarding school which Sara attends and she is living the life of a princess.  Once her dad dies, she ends up as a servant living in the attic.  Even when she's starving and freezing, she uses her imagination and determination to survive. 

Though this book was written in 1905, the themes are still very relevant today.  A true princess is not just wealth or money, but the richness in your heart, being kind, strong and persevering.  This is the classic timeless book that you will enjoy and love reading.  

Book Reviewer 9:  If you go to middle school, maybe you will agree with this book and if you go to middle school next year, maybe this will help you to survive a rough year.  My name is Sean and I would like to introduce a book named Middle School:  The Worst Years of My Life. 

Rafe K is going to sixth grade and what he got the first day was getting a new boy named Miller and having a long speech by the principal and getting a rule book and reading it slowly and then a really good idea came to him. 

Something may have changed the whole year.  It's that he breaks all the rules trying not to keep the rule three times and he named that Operation RAFE, which stands for rules aren't for everyone.  Will he win this game and survive this year with Miller and the teachers? Read the story to find out if he won or lost.  

Book Reviewer 10:  What happens when seven different students with nothing in common wind up in the same class with Mr. Terupt teacher magic.  This book is because Mr. Terupt, a realistic fiction story by Rob Buyea, Peter, Alexia, Luke, Jeffrey, Anna, Danielle and Jessica land in Mr. Terupt’s fifth grade class. 

They're completely different and have never gotten along.  That is not until Mr. Terupt brings them all together.  But it isn't until he's gone that everyone and everything really begin to change.  This is a great book because you can see how the characters learn and grow and how Mr. Terupt in that one amazing school year changes their lives forever. 

Julie:  We hope you enjoy these engaging book talks.  We're so glad these young readers shared their enthusiasm for their books with us.  You can find all these books in MCPL’s catalog. 

Keep the conversation going by following us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and Pinterest.  Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast on the Apple podcast app, Stitcher or wherever you get your podcasts.  Also, please review and rate us on Apple podcast.  We will love to know what you think. 

Nov 6, 2018

Summary: As part of our Literary Explorers series, kids ages 10-14 came to MCPL branches to record video book talks about books they've enjoyed. We've collected the audio from 10 of these recordings to share with our Library Matters listeners.

Book talks are brief summaries/reviews designed to convince others to read the book being described. You can see videos of these and other Literary Explorer book talks on our YouTube channel, mcplmd. The Literary Explorer program was made possible by a grant from the NBC Foundation and Washington's NBC 4. 

Host: Julie Dina

Books Loved in this Episode:
(In order of appearance)

Masterminds by Gordon Korman  

The Truth About Stacey by Ann M. Martin

Diary of a Wimpy Kid by Jeff Kinney

Lightning Thief by Rick Riordan

Wonder by R.J. Palacio

Awkward by Svetlana Chmakova

Going Wild by Lisa McMann

A Little Princess by Frances Hodgson Burnett

Middle School: The Worst Years of My Life by James Patterson 

Because of Mr. Terupt by Rob Buyea

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Oct 24, 2018

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David Payne:  Welcome to Library Matters; video host David Payne.

Lauren Martino:  And I'm Lauren Martino.

David:  And today we are going to be talking about trees, not the ones with leaves on, but of the family variety.  And genealogy is our subject for today’s episode, and we are delighted to welcome two of our avid MCPL staffers who are going to share their genealogical experiences with us.  I, first of all, welcome Adrienne Miles-Holderbaum.

Adrienne Miles-Holderbaum:  Thank you.

David:  Adrienne is Senior Librarian at our Germantown branch.  Also I'm very pleased to welcome to today’s episode, Carol Reddan who is Library Associate at Olney.  Welcome Carol.

Carol Reddan:  Thank you.

David:  And you are both very dedicated, passionate, and experienced genealogists and we are very pleased to have you share your experience with us.

Carol:  I’ll take it.

David:  Well compared to some of us. Anyway let’s start by asking you both basically what is genealogy.  Let me start with you, Carol.

Carol:  What is genealogy?  Well, I had to look that up and a basic good definition is the study of the ancestral lines and that’s what I'm going to go with.

David:  We’ll take it.

Carol:  Okay.  All right.

Adrienne:  Yeah.  I looked it up and Merriam-Webster says it’s an account of the descent of a person, family, or group from an ancestor or from older forms and it’s a study of family ancestral lines.  I think everyone comes from somewhere and everyone has roots.  We just didn’t appear out of nowhere and that’s why it’s fascinating.

David:  Right.  That covers everything.

Lauren:  So what got you two interested in genealogy to begin with?  Let’s start with Carol.

Carol:  Just curiosity and I like detective work and it’s the ultimate puzzle, detective puzzle.  And everybody is always, “Where am I from?  What is my line?” And when you get real philosophical, you realize we all had to start from one point and then break apart and you get in that real chicken or egg kind of a mode and you just want to keep going further.  It’s just basic downright human curiosity.

Adrienne:  So for me it’s a little personal.  My father didn’t know his biological parents.  He was a fostered child in New York City and he always wondered who his parents were and he would always talk about it with us.  So it’s a natural interest that I’ve already – always had.  It’s something I’ve always wanted to know.

So I think that also kind of guided me to become a librarian because I’ve only been doing research for so long on this topic and just wondering like how we get to where we are, in general.  So that was very influential.  And I'm interested in genealogy.  Also I really enjoy Henry Louis Gates.  He is an author and he has the show in PBS called Finding Your Roots and I watch every episode.  It’s fascinating to me to find about history and about people and I just – it’s just – I find it infinitely interesting.

Also as an African-American, I’ve always wondered about my roots because a lot of our roots are kind of missing due to the Transatlantic slave trade.  Even my last name I’ve always known it wasn’t my last name, for other reasons, my dad was a fostered kid, but also because a lot of African-Americans, our last names aren’t like blood-related.  So immigrants from other countries also have changed their last name to anglicize them.

So I think it’s not just African-Americans and I have that curiosity, but I’ve always wondered like, ‘where does my name come from, where does this come from,’ so that kind of stemmed my interest in genealogy.

David:  So the fun fact, USA today found that genealogy is the second-most popular hobby in the country after gardening, and the second-most visited category of website after pornography.  Why do you think that genealogy has become so popular?  I’ll start with you, Adrienne.

Adrienne:  I guess it goes back to familial origins.  Everyone has them, even if you don’t know them like in my father’s case we'd all have it no matter what.  Like I said earlier, no one just placed here like out of nowhere, we don’t just come here.  So I think it’s fun, it’s interesting.

David:  And rewarding.

Adrienne:  And rewarding, right, rewarding and it’s time-consuming but rewarding and it’s – I think it’s a skill that anyone can develop if you have the patience and the interest.

Carol:  Yeah, I would concur, I think everybody is curious about where they are from, but I just think the influx of DNA, DNA testing and now it’s so easy and it’s advertised and it’s publicized and it’s very easy now.  Price keeps coming down to just send in a sample and find out your DNA and start that search.  So it’s easy.  It’s more accessible now to start it sort of as a hobby.  But, yeah, you do have to be careful because it can’t be a hobby or it can really like overturn your life and I have those stories too.

David:  Presumably you talked about accessibility.  Presumably the availability of electronic resources...

Carol:  Well, that end – to just send away for a kit now, I did ancestry like four years ago and it was like $150.  Just like when you bought a toaster in 1950, it was a certain price.  And what is a toaster?  $12.99 on sale.  And the cost of these kits keeps going down.  They have specials.  So it’s making it easier for more people to do and more and more people are doing it, which is why I keep getting updates on the ancestry why my apparently ancestry keeps changing because they have more people to match it against, because more people are doing it.

Adrienne:  What’s interesting is my father did it in 2006.  He did like ancestry – I don’t remember what DNA website he used, but it was expensive, but also it wasn’t very specific.  It was like very general.  It was like 50% European, 50% Sub-Saharan African.  So he is like, okay, now it’s like super detail.  The sample size is larger.  So they have more I guess DNA to pull from.  So it’s like so different, so…

Carol:  But even still be aware because there are commercialists.  I always thought I was German.  Now I got my results back and I have to buy kilt. Keep the lederhosen because it happened to me.  It happened to me because I get updates and if you go and get a tattoo, you might be in trouble with the Viking tattoo.

Lauren:  So Adrienne, you’ve been doing genealogy research for a while now.  How is it different now than a DNA testing as so readily available from when you began?

Adrienne:  Sure.  I feel like it’s easier.  I’ve been getting – so the website I used, we entered our email addresses and then you can also be contacted.  So I’ve been contacted from like distant cousins and I’ve contacted distant cousins and we were like, “Are we really related?” How are we related?  What does it mean?” And I don’t know how accurate or what it even means or if it means anything.  But I definitely think it’s the world is smaller and we are more accessible, so the information is more accessible and you are more -- yeah.

Lauren:  You are making connections with people whereas before you just might just know them as a name in a book.

Adrienne:  Right, right, but if you have like names or last names like familial names that you are aware of, it is interesting to kind of contact those people with the last names who are matching and really figure out the common ancestor.  I’ve done that with like one person in particular.

Lauren:  I love doing that.

Adrienne:  Yeah.

Carol:  That’s the best way to do.  It is to find a match and then to try to go up the trees and it’s like a little puzzle to find the point where you connect and it is changing a lot because I’ll get updates all the time.  I’ve done 23andMe and Ancestry and I get updates on both of them all the time and Ancestry particularly it just gets easier and easier.  The more people do it, more people upload pictures like just you think you will never see a picture of your great, great, great grandfather, you might.  And that’s like when you hit pay dirt.  That’s like when you see a picture of these people.  That’s the best.  So distant cousins are uploading military records, pictures, family – all kinds of content.

Lauren:  Wow! It is exciting.  So did you find a lot of difference between like the two, you said you use like 23andMe and Ancestry?  Did they agree with each other or?

Carol:  No, of course not.

Lauren:  Not?

Carol:  The DNA part of it I don’t really want to focus on so much because you just – for me being 99.4% European, so for a European, Europe was a mess for so many years and I'm the commercial where I always thought I'm just German and Irish, German and Irish, pretty straightforward, but I did ancestry three years ago and it said 29% Scandinavian, 25% Italian-Greece, 24% Irish, Iberian Peninsula, European Jewish and I was like, oh, I'm way more exotic than I ever thought and I was getting into it and loving it.

But then the update comes and you go full circle and it’s like right back where I started from, German and Irish.  Yeah, so I take it with a grain of salt and what the DNA is telling you is who your DNA matches people where they are living today.  It doesn’t tell you, oh, this is matching people from the past.  And the thing about people is they have always moved around a lot.  So my DNA tells me what my DNA looks like to people related today.

But my ancestors, if I go up family trees, I have ancestors in Switzerland in the 1500s.  I know they were there at that point.  I don’t know where they were in the 5th century, the 6th century, the 7th century and all that’s impacting your DNA.  So I suspect in a couple of months I could have a new update saying something even yet more different, so that I take with the grain of salt.  I put more importance on the family trees and oral history and how those combined.  That’s what means more to me.  I know it’s kind of fun to say, oh, I'm this, I'm that, but, hmm, you are just a mud.

Adrienne:  Yeah, and I feel it the same way.  I think one interesting thing is my dad did his DNA and he is like 42% Iberian Peninsula which is Spain and I'm less than 2%, but I know I'm his daughter.  So what genes did I get?  So it’s just – it’s like if I really was just to go by my DNA, it wouldn’t really tell a story.

Carol:  And the other part of that is every time every person is a card deck shuffle of genes.  So I always think about Queen Elizabeth and Norman the Conqueror and he is supposed to be like 26th great grandfather, but really if you were to extract DNA from him and her DNA, I wonder if they would match on any segments because a first cousin you should match 12 to 14%.  A second cousin 6%, a third great grandparent like 12%, so it’s diluting, diluting, diluting, but yet like I saw that picture, my great, great grandfather and I swear we look like him.  It’s spooky and creepy and great.

David:  Well, you both talked a little bit about resources.  Let me ask you both, ‘what MCPL resources would you recommend for genealogy?’ Actually I should mention for our listeners that any O and O resources that we mention in today’s episode can be found in the show notes for today’s program.  So, Adrienne, let me ask you.

Adrienne:  Sure, Heritage Quest is a database that has census records, the US Freedman’s bank records from 1865 to 1871, Revolutionary War era pension and Bounty Land Warrant application files and you can search, find information on people and places describe 28,000 family and local histories via Heritage Quest.  We also have newspaper databases for arbitrary research and that’s pretty popular.

A lot of customers come in looking for a specific arbitraries of family members.  We have links to, the Social Security Death Index and we have vital records all on our database, on our lib guide.  So, yeah, that’s our – and then a librarian to show you these resources.  So I think those are pretty awesome resources and I know Carol has some books that she recommends.

Carol:  Yeah, I do have some books that I really, really liked.  First one is, you mentioned Henry Louis Gates Jr who does the PBS series and he wrote a book Finding Your Roots, and this book goes into several celebrities in-depth.  Robert Downey Jr, Kevin Bacon, it’s just interesting to see their -- to a certain degree, and it absolutely proves it – How to Archive Family Keepsakes: Denise May Levenick, some helpful points on keeping, archiving and keeping keepsakes.

Also Genealogy for Dummies, Matthew Helm and April Leigh Helm always your good basic guide and AARP Genealogy Online, Matthew Helm and April Leigh Helm again, was also very helpful.  But the other one I do want to mention which is fairly new, Adam Rutherford, a brief history of everyone who ever lived.  This is more like a critique.  It gives you – he is a geneticist and it gives you the real low-down on what DNA testing is good for, what it’s not good for, we over-promise, we over-expect and it’s pretty realistic and it’s very, very interesting.

Adrienne:  I think also we have a link to the Montgomery County Historical Society on our website and that’s good for local history.  If you are doing local genealogy research you could use their resources also, so.

Lauren:  In addition to MCPL’s resources, do you have any other sources of information that have been helpful to you or you think might be helpful to other people that are beginning genealogy research?

Adrienne:  The which I think is the most popular website that people use for genealogical research.  I have only used it like  I haven’t really got in-depth.  I don’t know, Carol you use it.

Carol:  I have been using it.  So I did Ancestry and right now I have a subscription.  So I will pay extra for a few months while I really delve deeply into family records or whatnot.  And so it’s giving me access to just a zillion databases, military records, most importantly the family trees that other members have compiled and you can easily go up those and then the content that they’ve added on their family trees, they’ve done all the research for you basically.  Newspaper clippings, wedding photos, graves, pictures of grave sights and things like that, so the thing I found most valuable is the family tree access that Ancestry offers.

Adrienne:  I would agree.  I have a cousin doing research and he gave me access to his the family tree via his account and I was amazed, but he has found another…

Carol:  Right.  One thing about 23andMe that I like though is that when it gives you your match list, when you send in your DNA and the company comes back and they tell you your ancestry or whatnot, they will also give you DNA matches which typically can be like a thousand people who've also done that service.

So these are like your distant cousins, it will hierarchy it.  Like it will have the people who you are most closely related to on down to, you know, that you share 15% DNA within 10 segments down to 5th or greater cousins and you share like a little half segment percent of DNA.  And it's fun to go and click on these distant cousins and 23andMe lets you bring up both charts and they will overlap and show you exactly what chromosome you are related to that cousin on.

And then you can block out like I have Jewish ancestry.  So I have cousins who I can put our charts together and I can see that we are related on the 10th chromosome which is where my Jewish ancestry is.  So that tell me I'm related to, it’s a Jewish ancestor we have in common.  So then I can go on Ancestry that website and look up the family trees and I'm looking, trying to find the Jewish ancestor.

Adrienne:  That’s so cool.  The Family Tree DNA is the site that I used for my DNA, I guess, my DNA results.  But – so it’s similar for that website but there is also a site called where you can upload your raw autosomal data and then it combines different – anyone who uses it, so anyone can download their raw autosomal data from any of the other websites like or Family Tree DNA or whatever and then…

Lauren:  So raw what data?

Adrienne:  Raw autosomal, I hope I'm pronouncing that right.

Lauren:  What does that mean exactly?

Adrienne:  Okay.  Let me find out.

Carol:  And while Adrienne is looking, I’ll just want to bring up a point about people when you get results from Ancestry and 23andME or private companies who just swear they are not going to share your information and I believe them, I believe them, but many people and I’ve done it, you upload your DNA to this public site which now is just billowing out with tons of DNA, but it’s awesome because this is the way they are catching a lot of – catching cold cases and…

Adrienne:  And we talked about that…

Carol:  This is a huge breakthrough for crime solving.  It’s like combining genealogy with forensics.  They go and you take the DNA from a crime scene and they’ll upload it to the public database and they’ll get a hit and you might have a person’s fourth or fifth cousin, but they’ll – but then they will give it to a genealogist or better if you can be both the genealogist and the forensic crime expert.

Lauren:  So everyone leave librarianship.

Carol:  Well, my dream job, but then they work it back and they are starting to solve a lot of cases like that.

Adrienne:  So autosomal DNA is a term used in genetic genealogy to describe DNA which is inherited from the autosomal chromosomes.  An autosome is any of the numbered chromosomes as opposed to the sex chromosomes.  So humans have 22 pairs of autosomes and one pair of sex chromosomes, X chromosome and the Y chromosome.

Lauren:  So it’s basically just the DNA data?

Adrienne:  Yeah, it’s just your raw data.

Lauren:  Okay.

Adrienne:  I'm not a geneticist, but I know I had to upload that.

Lauren:  It sounds good to me.

Adrienne:  To, which is really helpful if you are doing genealogy research because it broadens the pool.  So not just people have used, other websites they’ve used.  If they’ve used GEDmatch and they’ve uploaded their data, you can like access it.  It's like open-source DNA.

Lauren:  Open-source DNA, public domain.

Adrienne:  Public domain.  There is also a website called like, like genealogy, not spelt that way, but another librarian told me about it and she has done a lot of family research with that.  It’s also an open site.  It’s free, so Ancestry does cost money, but is free.  So that’s another barrier for Ancestry.  You have to do monthly or yearly fee for it.

There is also Facebook genealogical groups that people are members of.  There is also an old school message boards for different surnames that you can join.  So people with your surname or if you are doing research for someone in your family that surname you can join the message board.  Also YouTube has videos.

Lauren:  YouTube?

Adrienne:  Yeah, so there is like videos and like how to conduct your family, like I just did a research and I found a bunch of stuff and people like it and it has a lot of views.  So you can also use YouTube to do your research to know how to do your research rather, if you don’t come to a librarian, you can go to YouTube.

Lauren:  You mentioned a while back just like the patience involved.  I think that that’s sort of preventing me from starting on any kind of journey like this, because just the scariness of the sheer amount of research all of this requires, do you have any tips for beginners like kind of where to start, what kind of resources probably the first go to?

Carol:  I would say the first is the census records and it does take tenacity and will power to stick through it.  But when you find something out that’s so gratifying, it makes it so worth it.  So census, I’ll give you a little family story and how I solved and how difficult and time-consuming it can be to solve it.  So my mother always told me when she was little, she would visit her grandmother, so my great maternal great grandmother, and in her room she had a picture of a really pretty young girl that she would look at and cry.

And it was her niece who she loved very much and she had passed away in the flu pandemic in 1918 and she would get teary-eyed every time she looked at this picture.  So I was, “What’s her name?” I just lost the history.  She doesn’t even know where the picture is.  And so I was like always curious about what her name was, and my great grandmother loved her and everything.  So I started with census records.  And it is just excruciating.

My great grandmother's name was Laura Hollenbaugh who was born in 1875 and she married a McDorman [Ph] [00:21:47].  So Laura Hollenbaugh was one of like eight kids which was really common.  In Pennsylvania you have eight or nine kids and it’s a real problem when these things come through the woman, and to follow census records through the woman because of all the name changes.

So I wanted to find out who this relative who died in the flu pandemic was, and I know that it’s my great grandmother's niece.  So I go through my great grandmother all her brothers who carry that last name and I go through all the census records, and then some of them are -- 1900 is a mess because of a fire, and da, da, da, da, da, and you just have to like stick with it.  The handwritings faint and light and messy, but it didn’t appear it could have been any of the brothers.

None of them had a daughter that would have been the right age around 1918.  So then I had to go to the women, her sisters and you start going through and – but I hit pay dirt, Mable Ployer.  She was actually 40 in 1918 and I saw her church death record, the actual death record signed by the doctor.  She reported feeling ill on October 1st, 1918, and so she died on October 9th.  All the church records for October and November influenza, influenza, influenza and it was Mable Ployer.

She was my great grandmother’s niece, but they were peers.  They were like the same age because she was the daughter of my great grandmother’s older sister who was like 18 years older than my great grandmother.  So I know her name, but I know I need the picture.  I need that picture.

Adrienne:  I would say talk to family members to get names from your oldest family members, so your grandparents or great aunt or someone that is, that might have the memory of someone that was older than them.  So like my grandmother, her grandmother, like so you can go back as far as you can and get family names.  I think that’s a good way to start.  And then I would say then I would look in the census once I have the names and like have the rough dates and locations, like places, because when you look up census, you need to know the dates, you need to know roughly the area or the state where they were from.  So I think that’s important to get oral histories from older people.

David:  So presumable assemble as much information possible…

Adrienne:  Exactly, exactly, I think that’s so important to get that first.

Lauren:  Yeah.  When you do a search in any of these databases and they have their charts to fill out; fill out as much as you possibly can, because then – otherwise you will be getting hits of just tons of non-applicable data.

Adrienne:  Right.  And you can also -- they spell things differently in the census records.  Sometimes it was like a neighbor – it looked like the person wasn’t there.  The neighbor is like, oh, that’s so and so and so like the names, the spellings can be off even the years can be off.  For me the race could be off because when I look to like some – the one year my family was Mulatto, then they were black, then they were Mulatto.

So it’s really like – it’s kind of tricky even when you have the census data.  So I would say start with oral history from your family and get the names, get the dates, get the places, and also vital records after you have the information.  The birth records, the marriage, death certificates, census, use the library.  And also be prepared for the emotional reaction because you may not have one, but someone in your family may have one about something you discover.

So just be aware of that.  Not everyone is excited.  So just be aware of that.  Not everyone will have the same excitement you have or the same curiosity.  They may say you don’t want to know that or I don’t want to know that.  So just be prepared for that too because I think that’s something I wasn’t really prepared for when I did the research.

Lauren:  Do you have any examples or any stories?

Adrienne:  Sure.

Lauren:  That you would be willing to share it or…?

Adrienne:  No, my father, so I mentioned my father not knowing his birth family.  I actually found his maternal, his mom and her family and he was kind of like curious but then said he didn’t want to know, but then he found out and it was just so much – there are so many different emotions and she actually passed right before we found the family and ironically I was able to find the family based on obituary.

So I had been doing research for a long time and just couldn’t quite connect all the dots and then I found her obituary and she passed away in 2015 and then I found like all the family names and part of her story, most of her story and then I was able to find her living relatives through Facebook.  My brother did and so we were contacting people and we got some really interesting responses from some of our family.

They were – there was one person who was barely – didn’t want to talk to us and then there was one person who was so wonderful and he is the one that connected us with everyone else.  So we got some different, some pushback, what’s your aim, why are you contacting us, so, yeah, you just have to be careful with that, but it turned out they are really lovely people.

Carol:  So my story is my rocking chair I have in my house now, my little rocking chair that I got many years ago when I just needed stuff to fill a place in my – this had been in my parent’s basement just kind of, I mean, not treated mean or anything, but it was just sitting in the basement and I was like, oh, I’ll take that and it was this little rocking chair covered in, a trillion tons of paint.

Any my father was hesitating.  He was like, “Well, yeah, okay, but…” And I think I had heard the story before.  It belonged to his great, great grandmother, my third great grandmother Sarah Bush and Sarah was – lived in Northeastern Pennsylvania like Schuylkill County, and she would rock in the rocking chair and wait and worry for her husband to come home from the Civil War.  It was her worry rocking chair and he never did.

He died at Gettysburg.  Benjamin Bush died at Gettysburg.  I was like, oh, that’s sad.  But I took the chair and we like sanded all the layers of paint off of it and refinished it, and it’s really more decorative.  I don’t really want to challenge it by sitting in it.  It’s just to look at, put a stuffed animal on.  But I would always go to Gettysburg like in the ‘80s and early ‘90s before all of this, and we tried to use the research tools they had at the time because suppose Benjamin Bush was buried at Gettysburg and we just came up and did nothing, nothing, nothing.

So I joined Ancestry.  So I start plugging in everything I know about Sarah Bush, her rough dates of birth and the family, and I start plugging it in and you start going up the family trees and I see that Sarah Bush was married to Benjamin Bush.  Sarah Bush died in 1914; she was born in 1816.  Benjamin Bush died in 1911, but they are buried together in Art Cemetery in Hegins, PA.  And I'm like, oh, I thought he was buried at Gettysburg.

Now you go up the family tree.  Sarah had a first husband Immanuel Moyer who is actually my great, great, great grandfather and he died in 1864 at the Cold Harbor Battle in New Kent County, Virginia and it makes me so sad because no one remembers him.  She was only married to him for like eight years but they had four kids together and then she married Benjamin Bush like in 1867 a couple of years after the Civil War was over and he did die.

So family history kind of had some correct things.  She was waiting for her husband.  She was rocking in the chair, but it was her first husband Immanuel.  He didn’t die at Gettysburg.  He died at Cold Harbor and he – we also didn’t know he was listed in American Civil War Jewish veterans, which was something we never knew or anything.  So I tell all this.  I think this is fascinating.  I think this is awesome.  I'm like, “Hey, it’s not Benjamin Bush.  It’s Immanuel Moyer.  And don’t you know this?”

And my dad was like no, whatever.  And I'm telling my cousins.  They are like, “So?” And I'm like, “Doesn’t this mean I figured this out?  I figured this out.  This person is who you are related to.” And they are like, “Yeah, whatever.”

Lauren:  They don’t want their family legends.

Carol:  I’ve done all of this work for them.

David:  But it was rewarding for you.

Carol:  Yeah, totally gratifying.  The picture would just be like, ‘oh my gosh!’ So now you talked about history in a way weaving history with this research.  So now I'm like all about the Cold Harbor Battle, the Overland Campaign, we went down to New Kent County.  It’s very close to Williamsburg and I went into the Resource Center there and I'm showing the man who worked there, I'm showing him the park range or whatnot, see, he died June 21, 1864.

He was like, “Well, that’s wrong.  That’s impossible.” But I'm showing him the actual military record on my phone.  He was like, “No, because this battle ended June 10th.” I'm like, “Well, this says June 21.” And also the family story was that it was kind of mean.  They said, “Oh, yeah, he was on picket duty and he stuck his head out and got himself shot like it’s his fault.” Like give him a break.  Blame the victim.

But he had just been promoted to sergeant a week before and then – so the man at the station started doing some looking into his computer.  He was like, “What do you know?  You learn something every day.” And he found out there was skirmishing.  Some people had to stay behind and there were little outbreaks of rebellion and he like even made it through Cold Harbor Battle proper, but in the skirmishing, he was shot like in little rebellions like a couple of weeks later.  It makes me really sad.

Lauren:  So are there some groups of people that’s easier to find out information about than others, because if you’ve lived in the same place forever and ever and ever and you’ve got county records that go back forever and ever and ever, that’s one thing.  But if your ancestors came from another country, there are some special challenges if your ancestors came over in a slave boat, so there are some special challenges.  Do you know any research strategies for people that are kind of running up against it, because they don’t fit the common mold of people doing genealogical research?

Adrienne:  Yeah, definitely.  As someone who is African-American, so my descendance, in any descendance, even if you are in like the Caribbean or South America descendance of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade have a lot of difficulty due to slavery and we talked about that a little bit earlier that in the US it’s specific to the year 1790 to 1860, which was right before the Civil War.  An awesome resource.  Actually there is a PowerPoint from the national archives that has a guide to doing research for African-Americans, which is awesome, I’ve used it. 

And we can link to it in the show notes because I can send it and make it available to everyone.  So it says and I'm going to quote it, it says, "Some aspects of African-Americans in the census differs from that of other groups, particularly before 1870.  This is due to the enslaved status of the majority of the black population, and the legal marginalization of those who are free prior to the 1870 census.  Even after 1870, the census often undercounted the black population."

So it talks also about after 1870, so after the Civil War, this is – it’s the first time a list of all the African-Americans by name is provided, and it’s the first official record for a lot of families and the surnames in there usually, of former slaves, from their slave owners, and that’s the case for my family.  So I was able to do research on my dad’s side back to 1870 and that census is when I first see the last name, the family last name and it’s actually mills not miles.

So it was pretty interesting.  And then problems for all groups, so there might be hard for all eight groups if you have the wrong ages, if you use or, someone else might have done research, but it was incorrect and then you are using that research to do your own research, so then it just keeps going and going.

Lauren:  So you have to take it with…

Adrienne:  Exactly and mistyped names, the wrong ancestor, so you just have to be really careful and really – some of them might not be accurate but you just keep doing your research and try to connect the dots and you would see what makes sense and what – how does the story, how is the story really told and find out.

David:  Well, you both regaled us with some great stories.  Let me ask you about all the research and all the wonderful things you’ve come up with.  What’s the most interesting thing that you found out doing genealogical research?  Let me start with you, Carol?

Carol:  I uncovered a murder February 1922.  Everyone has that – if you look long enough, the things you find, so this was – I found this through Ancestry where in certain family trees, they’ve posted these articles, so apparently in 1922 my paternal grandfather’s cousin Lloyd Smith shot his father John Smith who owned a dairy farm outside of Harrisburg.  So that was the story.  That’s what he was tried for murdering his father.

His defense was that it wasn’t him, auto bandits did it.  So Harrisburg put him on trial and it was a fairly big sensation in Harrisburg.  The newspapers talk about like 200 people being – coming to watch the courtroom trials or whatnot, and I found pictures of the grieving widow with her youngest son, and he was acquitted and the courtroom, the newspaper articles referenced the courtroom erupted in cheers; they were very happy he got off because apparently his father John Elias was some known to be like a jerk or whatnot.  And even his mother was very, very happy he got off.  They hugged and he came back to live on the family farm and he lived until 1966.

David:  We typically close each episode by asking, I guess, what they are currently reading.  So let me ask Adrienne.

Adrienne:  Sure.  What am I reading right now?  When do I have time to read?  So I'm trying to read The Wife by Alafair Burke.  I'm also reading lots of organizational books for home.  I like design books just because I like looking at interior design, but also as a new mom to two and I work full time, I'm super busy, so I'm obsessed with organization.  So there is a couple of – yeah, right, anything to hack my life, so the Modern Organic Home by Natalie Weiss, Mad about the House: How to decorate your home with style by Kate Watson-Smyth and she is a blogger, a British blogger.

Clean My Space: The Secret to Cleaning Better, Faster and Loving Your Home Every Day by Melissa Maker and she is a professional cleaner and she provides her tip and I'm like I want to know.  And then also I'm reading another kind of organizational books for work.  So I'm reading about organization like management, so The Nordstrom Way: The Story of America’s #1 Customer Service Company by Robert Spector.  It’s an older book, but it has a lot of good tenets about good customer service.

And then another book called Under New Management: How Leading Organizations Are Upending Business as Usual by David Burkus.  So I'm obsessed with home and work like making both better, so, yeah.  That’s what I'm reading.

David:  It sounds like you will be organized.

Adrienne:  Yes, hopefully.

David:  Carol?

Carol:  I'm reading Sybil Exposed by Debbie Nathan and I'm reading this.  I had read it a couple of years ago.  So technically I'm rereading it.  We are going to have a nonfiction book club at Olney on October 24.  This is the book we will be discussing.  So it’s by Debbie Nathan and it sort of dissects the whole Sybil explosion.  If you remember in the mid ‘70’s, a book came out Sybil and the woman who had 26 personalities and about her doctor and…

Lauren:  It was a movie too, right?

Carol:  It was a miniseries with Sally Field that won many awards and it was an explosive book and everyone thought they had multi-personalities and they were starting to be diagnosed with the whole little explosion.  Well, Debbie Nathan goes into it and she does the book about Sybil whose real name was Shirley Mason, her doctor, and Flora Schreiber who wrote the book and the psychiatrist was Cornelia Wilbur and how Sybil really probably never had those personalities.

She just wanted to please her psychiatrist who just wanted to be famous and Flora Schreiber just wanted to hit book.  So one thing led to another.  Basically Sybil just had a few problems, but it just exploded into some movement.

Lauren:  It’s kind of true crimey, right.

Carol:  Not true crime, but you can make this stuff up.

Lauren:  Thank you so much Carol and Adrienne for joining us today and sharing your family stories.  Please keep the conversation going by following us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and Pinterest.  Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast on the app of podcast app Stitcher or wherever else you get your podcasts.  Also please review and rate us on Apple Podcasts; we'd love to know what you think.  Thank you for listening to our conversation today and see you next time.

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Oct 23, 2018

Summary: Genealogy enthusiasts Adrienne Miles Holderbaum and Carol Reddan share their love of researching family history and talk about the resources available at MCPL and elsewhere to help you learn more about your own family's history.

Recording Date: October 10, 2018


Adrienne Miles Holderbaum: Senior Librarian at Germantown Library and co-producer of Library Matters. Adrienne was a guest on the Library Matters' pregnancy episode, #30 - Baby on Board, Resources for New & Expectant Parents.  

Carol Reddan: Library Associate at Olney Library. Carol was a guest on Library Matters' August 2018 true crime episode, #38 - Murderous Memories - True Crime Stories

Hosts: Lauren Martino and David Payne

What Our Guests Are Reading:

Adrienne Miles Holderbaum: The Wife by Alafair Burke, The Modern Organic Home by Natalie Wise, Mad About the House: How to Decorate Your Home with Style by Kate Watson-Smyth, The Nordstrom Way by Robert Spector, and Under New Management: How Leading Organizations Are Upending Business as Usual by David Burkus.  

Carol Reddan: Sybil Exposed by Debbie Nathan 

MCPL Books and Other Resources Mentioned During this Episode

AARP Genealogy Online by Matthew L Helm and April Leigh Helm

A Brief History of Everyone Who Ever Lived by Adam Rutherford

Finding Your Roots by Henry Louis Gates, Jr. 

Genealogy for Dummies by Matthew L. Helm and April Leigh Helm

Heritage Quest: This database includes US Census and military records, city directories, full-text family and local histories, Freedman's Bank records, and more. 

How to Archive Family Keepsakes by Denis May Levenick

MCPL Genealogy Guide

Other Genealogy Resources Mentioned During This Episode:

23 and Me: Consumer genetic testing service for genealogy and health.  

African Americans in the Federal Census, 1790-1930, Using Federal Census Records to Find Information on African American Ancestors Popular genealogy database.

AncestryDNA: DNA tests for ethnicity and genealogy. 

Family Tree DNA: DNA testing for ancestry and genealogy. 

Finding Your Roots, PBS series DNA and genealogical analysis tools for amateur and professional researchers and genealogists. 

GENi: A popular genealogy tools for sharing family histories.   

Other Items of Interest:

6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon

Montgomery County Historical Society

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